Year of Hell

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Borg assimilated... Seven assimilated a Krenim temporal scientist, who may or may not have been Annorax who Janeway found "delightful" during the course of Infinite Regress.

I doubt it was Annorax. AFAIK, his home time period was 200 years in Voyager's past. He would have been long dead by the time the Borg got to Krenim space.

And since Annorax's ship existed outside of normal spacetime, the Borg wouldn't even be able to detect it, let alone assimilate it.

 

[Gary7]

The Krenim weapon didn't have a "Back button". They couldn't reverse the changes they made; restore the civilizations that they had wiped from the timeline. As you noted, the only option it seemed they had in that regard was to wipe the weapon itself from the timeline and "Undo All".

That's what I thought at first... but in watching the episode, I saw Annorax mention to Chakotay about being able to manipulate things down to the molecular level. Civilizations wiped out and then returned again. So, it didn't seem so irreversible, unless he meant that a further correction might manage to restore a civilization. The only thing is, the ripple effect is so enormous, considering the removal of something with many dependencies. Restoring something back would require significant changes... and even still, something returning wouldn't necessarily be the same as it was.

It's this kind of conundrum and other severe stretches of plausibility that gave this episode so many coherency problems. It may just be more sensible to make grandiose assumptions about them and not look back.

 

[DonIago]

I suppose if they wiped out a civilization that had been responsible for things that previously caused them to wipe out a different civilization that the latter might be restored, but you would still be creating a new timeline that might or might not be particularly desirable.

I haven't seen the episode in quite some time, but any talk of restoring a civilization as if there was a "Back button" seems to complicate the episode unnecessarily.

As far as dependencies...eh, I prefer to think that it wasn't everything else changing around the timeship, but rather the ship transporting itself into a different timeline.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Borg assimilated... Seven assimilated a Krenim temporal scientist, who may or may not have been Annorax who Janeway found "delightful" during the course of Infinite Regress.

I doubt it was Annorax. AFAIK, his home time period was 200 years in Voyager's past. He would have been long dead by the time the Borg got to Krenim space.

And since Annorax's ship existed outside of normal spacetime, the Borg wouldn't even be able to detect it, let alone assimilate it.

They weren't ageing outside of time, which is how they had been changing the same few months, about a year really, for subjectively 200 hundred years, which is why Annorax still expected his wife to not only be alive, but relatively still the age he was as we saw in the one of the final scenes.

The Borg had plenty of time travel tech, but if Annorax jnew about it, he could work around what they had, but given the universe sometimes the Krenim (not Annorax) must have been powerful enough to take out the Borg, as in the Before and After Time line were there was no Borg to mention whatsoever by season 4.

 

[Lord Manitou]

Their are some indications in the ep. that they couldn't turn the time ship off or they couldn't distance themselves from the core. If the incursion wasn't perfect I'm sure leaving the timeship carried a high price. Stuck on a ship for 100 yrs? Annorax was smarter than refusing an incursion that wasn't 100% perfect. Ebrist also considered the variables which far outweighed getting the numbers correct. The incursion on the Zahls, which was suppose to bring 100% recursion on their home world (displayed in the ep.), was good enough to finallize there journey but Annorax's family located on a colony would not reappear. He couldn't accept returning when his family was killed or never existed.


His problem first started when he exterminated a race that was at war with the his world (the modern Krenim homeworld). The race carried an antigen that the Krenims rely on and a massive epidemic issued. In trying to correct his mistake he couldn't get back.

 

[Gary7]

There is one very basic fact that cannot be ignored. If time had stopped for Annorax and his crew, they would be motionless. But they breathe, eat, sleep, and perform activities that they remember from day to succeeding day. Their bodies metabolize the food they eat. Their bodies function as normal. They are temporally shielded from the incursions they launch, so those do not affect them--they are "outside time." But they have their own time within the ship. If they restarted time for themselves every day, they would lose their memories. Obviously they do not. This is a big gaping hole in the entire story. To reconcile it, one must assume that Annorax's crew came up with some kind of conditioning that slows the aging process of their bodies, without affecting their minds. I can't see any other way, given how the on-board chronometer for Annorax shows about 200 years. That means his body and those of his crew have existed for a very long time. There was nothing to indicate that the lifespan of a Krenim person is many hundreds of years.

 

[The_Baroness]

It's called "Wibbly magic"

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's called "Berman needs a slapping".

If there was a back button Gary, then even Annorax would have used it rather than spending 200 years murdering entire species since his wife was waa-aay more important to him that the first pack of basties he exterminated.

Kurtwood Smith was sharing some air with Bruce Boxlietner in Chaos this week. I hardly Imagine that the President of the Federation and the Presidnt of the Insterellar Alliance had any pissing contest about who ruld over the more prestegious Earthican Empire.