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Year-Focused Registry Chronologics

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This is limited to the productions of 1966-2005 with a strong preference to on-screen material, thus keeping more or less to an Okuda-centric list for consistency.

So it occurred to me that I'd never sat down and worked up a year-based registry tracking list. I've had pieces and parts, and I've done class-specific stuff before (like the pic below where I was looking at commissioning plaques) and studies of the various starship lists but this particular target was uniquely different.

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The idea here is to get a firm sense of where the highest registries land year-by-year (meaning the earliest appearance of the highest registry known) as best as can be determined. The working theory is that the shipbuilding rate can meet, but can not exceed, the rate of NCC increase, at least for frontline starships.

Yes, I'm aware some people reject chronological registries, but considering they increase in a pretty consistent way (not counting the "first season weirdness" that populates most of the "mismatch" entries in that image above), I find that point of view impossible to agree with. I'm certainly open to a some skipping or a bunch of NAR nonsense and there is, of course, the question of when a registry is applied (which could itself vary). Is it at the initial order, or at the laying of the keel, or at the end of construction, or at launch, or at commission? Are seemingly 'held' registries like NCC-2000 common?

That said, those are all topics that are somewhat outside the point of this thread. This thread is intended mostly to capture data like "oh hey, we know that such-and-such ship has registry NCC-12345 and there's a reference in this episode to it doing stuff in such-and-such year, so that registry makes sense as being valid for such-and-such year." Certain other concepts naturally follow, like avoiding the assumption of new ships unless it makes sense, and so on.
I have a spreadsheet with years, direct-evidence registries, alternate registries (covering either alternative directs or semi-sketchy stuff), and entries for conjecturally dated registries. The list is somewhat extensive, though sparse across a number of years/decades. For instance, here's basically the entire 22nd Century from the founding of the UFP:

2167​
NCC-173​
Essex​
“Power Play”[TNG5]​
2168​
NCC-176​
Horizon​
“A Piece of the Action”[TOS]
+ DS9 Sisko Office Model​

In both those cases, I rather doubt the ships were freshly registered. These were Daedalus Class birds, fast builds from wartime, to my way of thinking, in a time when I presume a lot of ships had been absorbed into a ragtag UFP fleet. In other words, not a whole lot of use, there . . . a new build of 2168 could probably have a wide variety of possible registries.

For the 23rd Century, I have the Constellation 1017 conjectured at circa 2210 (which is on the late side of the possibilities), Enterprise 1701 at 2245 per Gene, and the next entry is 2257 as a conjectural date for when Kirk and Finney were on the Republic 1371. (That's based on 2233 for Kirk plus 18 for Academy entry plus four for graduation plus a couple of "some years later" for when they were posted there), though of course 1371 is a reversal (and marked as such on my spreadsheet) compared to 1701.)

Next up:

2267​
NCC-1718​
n/a​
“Court Martial”[TOS]​
2268​
NCC-1764​
Defiant​
“The Tholian Web”[TOS]​
2269​
2270​
2271​
2272​
NCC-2120​
Entente​
ST:TMP Epsilon IX Chatter​

TOS just doesn't show us anything in the 18xx area (sorry 1831 truthers), much less 19xx, but both should really have existed by the time of TOS (and yes, I think the Reliant and Bozeman ought to have launched in the 2260s, and I think they looked pretty much just like they did in the 2270s/2280s.)

I next have 2278's reversion to the Bozeman 1941, and after that it's 2285 with the Excelsior 2000 and the Hathaway 2583 side-by-side. Given the Entente 2120 existing in 2272 I'm perfectly content with the Excelsior being demonstrably out of order in two different ways, mind you. I'm just not super-keen on taking the "eighty-year-old star cruiser Hathaway" quite so literally . . . I've elsewhere suggested the Hathaway ought to be closer to 2289 . . . but then I need Hathaway out of the way so Stargazer's consoles bug me less so whatever.

The 2290s entries are reversals . . . Constellation 1974, Ahwahnee 2048, Jenolxn 2010 . . . then we finally hear about the Stargazer 2893 but only waaaaaay out in 2333 because Picard takes over. The ship had maybe 35 years of history prior to him, but you'd never know. I also feel like Ambassador Class ships should appear somewhere in here but I just don't have any with usable registries associated with dates . . . even the Ambassador 10521 isn't really on screen anywhere for me to use, and other than the Enterprise-C destruction there's nothing dating them at all other than the 26xxx registries.

And yes, the period circa 2300 is when registries would really have to go nuts. I think (but cannot find where) I'd calculated before that at the typical pre-TOS/TOS/TMP rate, the TNG era ships ought to have registries in the NCC-4100 range, as I recall, but instead we're at ten times more. It's certainly possible they decided to either (1) avoid advertising actual starship numbers, a la the classic German tank problem, or (2) that they started absorbing alien fleets and giving them registry numbers, or (3) registering shuttlecraft, or (4) some combination thereof. But, Voyager alone could drive them into six-digit registries, so maybe that last one isn't it.

Anyway, skipping a bunch of empty years, we get these:

2338​
NCC-19386​
Tripoli​
“Datalore”[TNG1] + “Unification, Pt. I”[TNG5]​
2346​
NCC-38907​
Intrepid​
“Sins of the Father”[TNG3]​
2347​
NAR-32450​
Raven​
“Dark Frontier”[VOY5] et al.​
2349​
NCC-43730​
Wyoming​
“Flashback”[VOY3] + "In the Pale Moonlight"[DSN6] casualty list​
2358​
NCC-53847​
Pegasus​
“The Pegasus”[TNG7]​
2363​
NCC-70637​
Galaxy​
“Encounter at Farpoint”[TNG1]​

The Galaxy is placed in 2363 based on the Enterprise plaques and their launch / commissioning dates, but, again, this is not indicative of ship commissionings or constructions otherwise . . . any of these ships (arguably including the Galaxy) could've been very much older than the years on the left. While there are a number of mentions of other ships (e.g. the Rutledge, the Okinawa, the Strata) during these periods, none of those have registries attached.

As for the others, there's really no way to know whether these registries were old or new at the time, to be honest, so other than knowing that they can't be lower than 19386 in 2338, they tell us little.

We can try to calculate off of a linear progression from the Hathaway to the Galaxy, for instance, but that's just guesswork. For reference, though, it's 872.36 NCCs per year . . . that'd put NCC-5000 in 2288, NCC-10000 in 2293, NCC-20000 in 2305, NCC-40000 in 2327, NCC-60000 in 2350. Unfortunately, if we continued that, it would also put NCC-74000 in 2366 and NCC-80000 in 2373, which isn't how it works:

2366​
NX-72307​
Bradbury​
“Menage a Trois”[TNG3] + “Brothers”[TNG4] display​
SMS-21166​
2367
2368​
NCC-72015​
Sutherland​
“Redemption, Pt. II”[TNG5]​
2369​
NCC-72452​
Rio Grande​
“Emissary”[DSN1]​
2370​
NCC-74600​
Intrepid​
“Caretaker”[VOY1] + “Force of Nature”[TNG7] + ST:NEM​
Precedes Voyager 74656 … could be 2371 if the 2370 example was another ship, but that is unlikely​

We get a lot of registries during this period, but many are old or smaller and don't tell us much of interest . . . we don't get "oh hey here's the brand new ship so-and-so" other than the Enterprise. The one bright spot and surprise is the Bradbury, mentioned in "Menage a Trois" and then with data in "Brothers" . . . technically these could be different ships, but when separated by only a year I tend not to want to assume such a thing. Notably, the Bradbury as 72307 puts the Equinox at 2366 or 2367, too, which I'd estimated before based on other details but this is closer, numerically, than I'd had previously.

Moving on, the Sutherland of 2368 was in for repairs, for instance, suggesting she'd been around a bit . . . and yet the "new" runabouts (which never should've been a new concept in-universe and certainly not registered NCC like full-size starships) are pretty low, yet far exceeded by Intrepid.

There are some ships that are tantalizing but don't work. Ahwahnee 71620 versus 73620 . . . I come down at 71620 per the most visible thing, and that's also from "Redemption" rather than the basically entirely invisible BoBW appearance.

For 2371 there's Defiant 74205 and Valiant 74210, presumably built more or less as a pair or with the latter registry held. Chronologically, the Defiant has been a bit confusing to me for awhile, which is all I'm gonna say about that for the moment.

Finally, we have:

2374​
NX-74913​
Prometheus​
“Message in a Bottle”[VOY4]​
2375​
NCC-75633​
Sao Paulo​
(DS9)​

2375 also featured the Insurrection scout, 75227.

That's it.

Outside of that, am I missing any significant entries?
 
Oh, I love trying to "bring order to chaos" [/borgqueen] :borg: so I'm very pleased that you started this thread and I shall be watching and nodding along, probably :D
I had a go at something similar many years ago, but it was riddled with assumptions and data from background sources. I'll have to see if I can find the print out (it was on disk, but even if I found/still had it, I don't have anything to read it on anymore).

One later registry that immediately comes to mind is NCC 75567 (USS Cerritos) which we know was active on stardate 56329.4 (2379) as Rutherford was assigned to it then (LDS S3: "Reflections"). This doesn't really help matters, though, as the Cerritos is stated to be an old ship.
Oh, and NCC 83002 (USS Archimedes) was active on SD 58130.6 (2380) (LDS S2: "First First Contact") but I don't think there are any clues as to how new/old it is.

EDIT: Oops! I've just realised that you're limiting your list to 1966-2005 productions, so Cerritos and Archimedes are out. Although, Lower Decks is a TNG era show and heavily influenced by it... ;)
 
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I will delve into this later (as I have written two timelines based both on chronological registries and 'batch number' registries that you might find useful.) But for now I will say that the Stargazer NCC-2893's commissioning date is, IMHO, incorrect, as it was based on the original dedication plaque made for 'The Battle' where it was supposed to be a Constitution class ship, and the stardate was not in line with the eventual format TNG used later. The ship should be contemporary with the Hathaway, which was launched in the 2280's, which makes more sense with the 2XXX registry number.
 
Absolutely the Stargazer plaque date is borked, and would've been borked for either class, even if you factor in that the issue of stardates between the generations was never worked out very satisfactorily. I'd chalk that up in part as some of that first season weirdness I mentioned, magnified/caused by the issue of not having all the details worked out in advance.

(That said, the plaque info pic was just a reference to past tangentially-relevant work. (I sort of cancelled that work a couple of years ago when I realized I was _violating my prior standards on non-visible or backstage info use_.))

The only reason I refer to the Stargazer's registry as from the year 2333 in the OP is because, despite a registry which should have long been surpassed by then, this is simply the first canonical reference to the ship. I rather suspect that the Stargazer was about as old as or older than her captain (born 2305), depending on when they go nuts.

To that point, I had said:

And yes, the period circa 2300 is when registries would really have to go nuts. I think (but cannot find where) I'd calculated before that at the typical pre-TOS/TOS/TMP rate, the TNG era ships ought to have registries in the NCC-4100 range, as I recall, but instead we're at ten times more.

... and it was staring me in the face on my Chrono-Volumetrics page where I discuss an average 20 NCCs per year rate during the late 2200s, but I missed it in skimming:

"But, if we keep projecting past 2300, then we find ourselves with NCC-2901 by 2305, and only NCC-4101 by 2365, which is the second season of TNG. Of course, by that point, registries were in the 70000 range! We also know that they could build no less than 40 ships in one year, as per Shelby in "Best of Both Worlds, Pt. II"[TNG4]. In short, after about 2300 or so, the TOS/TMP-era NCC projections don't work well at all"​
 
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Ah, damn, I did miss a big one . . . Yamato 71807 (honorific 1305-E) from 2365. So:

2363​
NCC-70637​
Galaxy​
“Encounter at Farpoint”[TNG1]​
2364​
2365​
NCC-71807​
Yamato​
“Where Silence Has Lease” + “Contagion”[TNG2]​
2366​
NX-72307​
Bradbury​
“Menage a Trois”[TNG3] + “Brothers”[TNG4] display​

Again, these are just first-observed / lower-limit registries in these particular years, though it's interesting.

How long was the Yamato in space? Well, the Brahms "Biographic Data" display in "Booby Trap"[TNG3] noted, in a "career summary" section, that Brahms oversaw improvements to subspace field generators on the Enterprise-D and the Yamato, which would tend to imply that they were under construction simultaneously or nearly so. That might tempt us to put the Yamato launch in late 2363 / commission early 2364 a la the Enterprise-D, but it's still pretty vague and too tenuous to plant one's standard upon, really-really.

Still, to me, the Galaxy as a 2363 registry is bothersome. I tend to roughly follow a concept of about 400 registries per year as noted on my Chrono-Volumetrics page, and, after all, there's still the presumption of trials, a shakedown cruise, et cetera. Unfortunately, "Booby Trap" and its reference to prior stardates during the design and contruction stage -- 40052 for the dilithium crystal chamber or 40174 for the simulation as shown with a Galaxy being built out the window -- would imply 2363 for the Galaxy herself. The only way out is if we assume that's actually the Enterprise being built at Mars Station in "Booby Trap", and meaning the Galaxy (and perhaps Challenger) came a bit sooner, with the warp core tweaked in 2363 for the Enterprise and Yamato. That allows the Galaxy to receive a registry much sooner, with the Challenger receiving hers a year later, then the Yamato a year or two after . . . and if the Yamato got hers contemporaneously to the Enterprise-D, or thereabouts, then the timeline might be this:

2360 - NCC-70637 - Galaxy
2362 - NCC-71099 - Challenger (early 2362, 462 units after Galaxy)
2363 - NCC-71807 - Yamato (708 units after Challenger, so late in the year, and E-D at the same time)

I think I can dig that. That would also put the Bradbury 72307, 500 units after Yamato 71807, as likely early 2365 or reeeeeeeally late 2364.

That feels fine, but then we encounter an oddity and a problem. The oddity, as mentioned before, is Equinox 72381 . . . that becomes a 2365 bird. Possible, but strange . . . but it was always going to be strange with that registry. The problem is the runabouts. While we don't have a registry for the Danube, we do have one for Rio Grande 72452 (just 71 past Equinox and 145 past Bradbury), and since "they commissioned the first ones two years ago", or circa Stardate 45500 (2368), then the Rio Grande shouldn't be any older than that. But, as with the oddity of the Equinox, we're stuck with the fact that it was always going to be problem . . . the Bradbury was flying around in 2366. Why would the runabouts, merely 145 units after, not be 2366 birds, at least? The answer, of course, is that their registries obviously shouldn't be construed as 2368 registries . . . so not commission registries, in this case.
 
Isn't USS Galaxy suppose to be 2357 or so. Spent a few years as an NX prototype starship working some of the kinks out of the new systems before they commissioned her. Followed by Yamato and Enterprise in 2263?
 
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