X-MEN: FIRST CLASS (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release)

[Anwar]

His plan was to use Emma Frost in X3, alone, I think.

The Cure storyline would've been good, but the problem was that they told Ratner that this would be the last X-Men movie and to do the Cure storyline. Also, they had to deal with Singer's Phoenix story and Marsden not being able to do the film since he was to busy with Superman.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Again...how is the use of Sinister on the topic of First Class? I will repeat myself again...Singer and his writers used the characters and told the story that he wanted to...perhaps Sinister will appear in a future X-Men movie, just because he hasn't been used prior doesn't mean he won't in the future. X2 isn't the topic of this thread anyway.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Well, Sinister isn't a mutant. He's a human who enhanced himself and wants to get rid of humans AND mutants so a 3rd race can replace them all.

The villain of the second movie is anti-mutant humans (in contrast to the first movie, which was about protecting humanity from evil mutants), so Sinister wouldn't fit.

The Stryker character is an amalgam of various people: he's got Rev. Stryker's name and evil plan, Abraham Cornelius's job, etc.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Yep he was a combination of both characters in order to give the Weapon X project a commander and Logan a nemesis.

 

[Anwar]

Well, 3 characters. Stryker's name, and both Cornelius and Thornton (who both headed the project). There's also a touch of Henry Gyrich to him since he works with the President too. He was basically most of the human enemies the X-Men have fought rolled into one.

I figured Kelly was also a "bad guy" in the first movie, an anti-mutant human.

Perhaps they should have jettisoned the Phoenix and Cure storylines for X2 and just made it a Nimrod story. It fits, X1 was about evil mutants, X2 was about evil humans, X3 would be about something neither human nor mutant but a threat to both. They never focused enough on Scott or Jean for a Phoenix story to really work for the movies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Definite 60's vibe

Double your flavor ...double your fun, with Doublemint gum.

Yeah, I like the go-go boots and miniskirts. Very mod.

The stunt-Emma's hat doesn't match the other Emma's hat. It's not as cylindrical.

Maybe it doubles as a crash helmet.

 

[CaptainCanada]

I figured Kelly was also a "bad guy" in the first movie, an anti-mutant human.

He was an opponent, but he never had any kind of scheme, and he ended up as a victim of Magneto, so that's not really the same thing.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Kelly was a typical politician who happened to be attempting to push through his anti-mutant bill and yes who ultimately was turned into a pawn by Magneto. He wasn't the main villain of the first X-Men film, Magneto was who was exploiting the anti-mutant sentiment in his favor as he attempted to do in all three films and as we will most likely see the forming of that philosophy in this film.

 

[Shazam!]

What looks absurd about it?

It's a good kind of absurd. I was saying I hope the rest of the movie is as stylised.

I think there's a sort of Avengers/ Lady Penelope (Thunderbirds) look to it. Me likee.

Exactly.

What looks absurd about it?

Maybe he thinks 60s clothing is ridicious? He should see what some people were wearing in the 70s!

60s clothing shits on 70s clothing from a great height. However, everyone knows clothing peaked in the 40s/50s and has been on a steady decline ever since.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ So you'll love the Captain America costumes then?!

 

[JRS]

Definite 60's vibe

I like the 1960s vibe..looks great
It seems that this scene is set to USSR, naturally. But on what season? Too much green to be winter or fall(unless they will use CGI snow..)

 

[Captaindemotion]

Another villainous addition to the cast:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/18274/gonzales-is-riptide-in-x-men-f-c-

 

[exodus]

I have to wonder why Singer waited until now to use the X-Men's array of villains. Would it have really killed him to use Mr Sinister as the second movie's villain (it makes more sense HE'D be the head of Weapon X) or the Hellfire Club? Stryker is really minor compared to them.

Because you're then getting away from the X-Men main universal theme which is the fight for equality. It's not about the Weapon X project, it's about bigorty toward those that are different.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Another villainous addition to the cast:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/18274/gonzales-is-riptide-in-x-men-f-c-

Man, I know I said I wanted obscure mutants, but damn, Riptide? Angel II, Darwin, etc. Oh well.

 

[Anwar]

I have to wonder why Singer waited until now to use the X-Men's array of villains. Would it have really killed him to use Mr Sinister as the second movie's villain (it makes more sense HE'D be the head of Weapon X) or the Hellfire Club? Stryker is really minor compared to them.

Because you're then getting away from the X-Men main universal theme which is the fight for equality. It's not about the Weapon X project, it's about bigorty toward those that are different.

Thing is, Sinister and the Hellfire Club fit the "fight for equality" thing pretty well. They make it more than just Xavier/Magneto/Humans. Sinister is a human who turned himself into a mutate and wants to get rid of all humans and mutants, which makes him fit all sides AND against all sides at the same time.

The Hellfire Club are mutants who have worked themselves into high positions of power within human society, potentially more dangerous than Magneto. Mutants using humans to defeat themselves and opponent mutants.

Actually, that would've been the best next direction for X3: Since they covered mutant terrorists attacking humanity, and anti-mutant humans, having mutants who are in control of humans would've been the natural progression. Sinister or the Hellfire Club would've easily worked as that.

 

[exodus]

I have to wonder why Singer waited until now to use the X-Men's array of villains. Would it have really killed him to use Mr Sinister as the second movie's villain (it makes more sense HE'D be the head of Weapon X) or the Hellfire Club? Stryker is really minor compared to them.

Because you're then getting away from the X-Men main universal theme which is the fight for equality. It's not about the Weapon X project, it's about bigorty toward those that are different.

Thing is, Sinister and the Hellfire Club fit the "fight for equality" thing pretty well. They make it more than just Xavier/Magneto/Humans. Sinister is a human who turned himself into a mutate and wants to get rid of all humans and mutants, which makes him fit all sides AND against all sides at the same time.

The Hellfire Club are mutants who have worked themselves into high positions of power within human society, potentially more dangerous than Magneto. Mutants using humans to defeat themselves and opponent mutants.

Actually, that would've been the best next direction for X3: Since they covered mutant terrorists attacking humanity, and anti-mutant humans, having mutants who are in control of humans would've been the natural progression. Sinister or the Hellfire Club would've easily worked as that.

I guess at the time they didn't feel the same way.

BTW, since when was Mr. Sinister a man that experimented on himself? When I last read X-Men, he was made that way by Apocalypse. That's why he was trying to create a being like Cable to kill Apocalypse, so he could be free. When did this change?

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

To the post before the post above.

This premise would be great for a live action X-Men series or even miniseries with a bloated budget. If only it could be done. Would totally blow Heroes out of the water.

 

[Aragorn]

^ That's not a difficult task. No Ordinary Family had a better fight scene in the pilot than Heroes did in four seasons.

 

[exodus]

To the post before the post above.

This premise would be great for a live action X-Men series or even miniseries with a bloated budget. If only it could be done. Would totally blow Heroes out of the water.

The Greatest American Hero can still blow HEROES out of the water.

 

[Anwar]

Heroes wasn't even THAT good, it started falling apart in the first season.