And probably word of mouth for Christoph Waltz's performance.
X-MEN: FIRST CLASS (Casting, Rumors, Pics till release)
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And probably word of mouth for Christoph Waltz's performance.
i wil laugh in StarTrek1701's e-face when First Class AND Captain America both do boffo BO and get greenlit sequels.
Actually, he said he thinks X-Men: First Class will be financially successful, but that it'll be a bad film. Of course making predictions as to quantify than a box office prediction since the former is subjective.
More not than often. I hade a feeling Inception would be good but it wouldn't do well at the box office. I was wrong about the box office. I had a feeling Terminator 4 would be a great movie and will do great at the box office. I was wrong on both counts.
But my feelings regarding Predators, Wolverine, Iron-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, Transformers 2, X-Men 3, Superman Returns* Scott Pilgrim*, The Losers* and Piranha* were dead on - mediocre movies, plotless shitfunks that would get good business for the name recognition and/or *audiences would ignore them completely (by B.O standards).
Strong words there fella. I said I have a feeling and with whatever I've been hearing about XM-FC it doesn't sound too good. And I stand by my words that it'll be an awful movie.
Like last year's Star Trek you mean? I was one of its cheerleaders from the start and I enjoyed it to the extreme. But then there are fans out there that still hate the movie because of the ship design or interior looks of the Enterprise. I don't think those fans have changed their opinions at all.
It's pointless to argue about whether opinions in advance are reliable or not, because either way, the only way we'll actually know is to wait until we actually see the movie.
I'm almost positive X-Men: First Class WILL be good. The pedigree (Vaughn, Goldman, Singer, McAvoy, Fassbender, Bacon) is far too good to ignore. You have an excellent team behind-the-camera and you have an excellent cast in front of the camera. I think it's far too early to determine whether or not the film will be good based on the details released thus far -- I mean maybe, just maybe after we've seen a trailer but then again when the first trailer for X-Men: The Last Stand came out it received mostly positive response, and that film was negatively maligned, so I don't even think trailers are a good indicator of quality anymore. Anybody can cut together a good trailer. Pretty much anybody.
I didn't like the trailers for Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World but I ended up enjoying that movie immensely. I've learned now to not judge movies based on details or trailers but to just put aside my initial impressions and watch the damn film. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised, like I was for Scott Pilgrim. Others I am disappointed -- like I was with Star Trek Nemesis (awesome trailer, bad film) and X-Men: The Last Stand (same deal) so I've just learned to watch a film if I'm truly at all on some level interested and have an open mind. It's annoying to hear people write off a film that hasn't even begun filming yet.
I have no doubt X-Men: First Class will be financially successful. Even the loathed X-Men Origins: Wolverine pulled in nearly $200 million domestically and X-Men: The Last Stand is the highest grossing film of the series. That proves that people will see these movies no matter what the quality is or what their thoughts are. I mean, a bunch of stubborn fans who are upset that we aren't getting Cyclops or Jean or Storm are not going to matter as they only represent a fraction of the movie going audience. I wasn't even a fan when I first saw X-Men and that movie turned me into a fan of the comics. So I didn't even care who the heck was in the main cast, and I think that was true for a lot of others too. Hopefully if X-Men: First Class does its job that'll be the same for a whole new generation of movie goers as well. I think people will see the brand name "X-Men" and they'll see money shots in the previews and they'll go.
As for the quality, like I mentioned before this isn't another rush job. I guess fans would have preferred had 20th Century Fox just hired a no-name director to helm Josh Schwartz's Gossip Girl-themed X-Men movie like what was originally planned? It's funny, because people say that Bryan Singer isn't really a fan of these characters yet he's the one that went to 20th Century Fox and pitched the story. He's incredibly passionate about not just Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine (especially since Wolverine won't even be in this film). I mean, he directed the first two movies, and he's coming back to make more. If that isn't passion or enthusiasm for the material, I don't know what is. Besides Superman Returns (which I personally liked, but realize it wasn't everyone's cup of tea), Singer has an impressive litany of fantastic films. Up until Superman Returns, Singer was a god to comic-book fans. It's amazing how you do one bad or maligned movie and suddenly you're the anti-Christ and everyone hates you. Maybe we should have some faith instead of always being so dismissive and writing things off before we even know what we're writing off?
I didn't like the trailers for Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World but I ended up enjoying that movie immensely. I've learned now to not judge movies based on details or trailers but to just put aside my initial impressions and watch the damn film. Sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised, like I was for Scott Pilgrim. Others I am disappointed -- like I was with Star Trek Nemesis (awesome trailer, bad film) and X-Men: The Last Stand (same deal) so I've just learned to watch a film if I'm truly at all on some level interested and have an open mind. It's annoying to hear people write off a film that hasn't even begun filming yet.
I have no doubt X-Men: First Class will be financially successful. Even the loathed X-Men Origins: Wolverine pulled in nearly $200 million domestically and X-Men: The Last Stand is the highest grossing film of the series. That proves that people will see these movies no matter what the quality is or what their thoughts are. I mean, a bunch of stubborn fans who are upset that we aren't getting Cyclops or Jean or Storm are not going to matter as they only represent a fraction of the movie going audience. I wasn't even a fan when I first saw X-Men and that movie turned me into a fan of the comics. So I didn't even care who the heck was in the main cast, and I think that was true for a lot of others too. Hopefully if X-Men: First Class does its job that'll be the same for a whole new generation of movie goers as well. I think people will see the brand name "X-Men" and they'll see money shots in the previews and they'll go.
As for the quality, like I mentioned before this isn't another rush job. I guess fans would have preferred had 20th Century Fox just hired a no-name director to helm Josh Schwartz's Gossip Girl-themed X-Men movie like what was originally planned? It's funny, because people say that Bryan Singer isn't really a fan of these characters yet he's the one that went to 20th Century Fox and pitched the story. He's incredibly passionate about not just Xavier, Magneto and Wolverine (especially since Wolverine won't even be in this film). I mean, he directed the first two movies, and he's coming back to make more. If that isn't passion or enthusiasm for the material, I don't know what is. Besides Superman Returns (which I personally liked, but realize it wasn't everyone's cup of tea), Singer has an impressive litany of fantastic films. Up until Superman Returns, Singer was a god to comic-book fans. It's amazing how you do one bad or maligned movie and suddenly you're the anti-Christ and everyone hates you. Maybe we should have some faith instead of always being so dismissive and writing things off before we even know what we're writing off?
Thank you. Thank you. So many people seem to think they need to hurry up and draw a conclusion right away, as if it were intolerable to have a vacuum of opinion and you have to fill it as soon as possible. But that's not necessary. There's nothing wrong -- and a lot right -- with just not having any advance opinion at all and waiting until you see the final product before you decide. You can't tell how a car will drive until it's built, or how a cake will taste until it's baked. The only information we have now is about the raw ingredients, a few fragments of the whole. That can't tell us how the final product will turn out. And there's nothing wrong with accepting that and waiting.
Not that I don't sometimes have advance "feelings" about a film myself, but I know better than to pretend they're proof of what the future holds. When I first heard about M. Night Shyamalan doing The Last Airbender, and about the casting controversy, and about it being filmed in Pennsylvania, and so on, I kept thinking the decisions being made were incomprehensible and boded very ill for the film. Yet I was still willing to hope that by some miracle it would turn out well. Later, I had my concerns about the casting allayed, and the trailers and news items became increasingly encouraging, and I began to get excited about the film -- yet still I knew there was reason for doubt and that the trailers might be misleading. It was only when the film was out and the reviews came in that I could really know. Of course I'd really have to see it myself to know for certain, but the reviews are so unanimously and overwhelmingly abysmal that I can be reasonably confident in their consensus.
As for this film, I have no advance opinions one way or another. Singer's done excellent work with the X-Men and disappointing work with Superman. Vaughn is an unknown quantity for me. Most of the actors are unfamiliar to me. And I don't know enough about the story yet to formulate an opinion. And I don't need to formulate one. There's no rush.
I think that the internet has to a certain extent only increased fan expectations and laid unfair or even wrong judgments upon movies thanks to constant reporting on films that are of interest to fans and this leads to expectations and whatnot. As opposed to back when you were a kid you'd see a TV spot or if you were like myself catch a movie poster in the newspaper in the listings and would be interested in seeing this. Now I find it difficult not to give some kind of pre-release opinion on a film even months before that film has come out. Not sure if that is a bad thing (probably is) but I guess I'm attempting to give an example of how the internet has changed film and television and given fans instant access to news about the film or TV show's production months before the film has come out.
Well, it's understandable to have opinions. The important thing is not to confuse them with facts. I'm sure we've all had experiences where we thought at first that we wouldn't like something and then discovered that we did. Heck, that's a routine part of growing up.
Facts are important I agree with that but speculation is fun as well...even if that speculation turns out to be incorrect.
If the film gets good reviews, I'll very likely see it. I wish I had not wasted money to see Wolverine Origins. It was an awful movie and I despise Movie Wolverine.
Oh dude, it was worse with me. I caved and saw the workprint that was leaked and I was sorely disappointed. Then I gave the film a chance after Tom Rothman said the final version was dramatically different than the leaked workprint so I saw the film again and there was no difference at all thematically. Yes, the special effects were more finalized but that was about it.
Last time I see a leaked workprint and last time I listen to Tom Rothman...
Yeah I was excited by the trailers for "X-Men: Origins Wolverine" then I started reading reviews of the film and didn't want to see it. Ironically was dragged to it by my best friend who I turned onto the X-Men film franchise in the first place and he loved the film while I detested it and spent the next hour or so explaining why.
You saw the workprint and you still went to see it? That's like cutting yourself and then pouring salt into the wound.
I had a "feeling" the movie would be an absolute piece of shite when I saw they cast Liev Shreiber as Victor Creed and Will.i.am as an unknown mutant. Couple that with GAMBIT being in the movie and it being PG-13? Didn't even waste money on it and by the looks of it, it was a good decision.
Yeah, but speculation means "I suspect this might be such-and-such" or "I wonder whether it will be such-and-such." Speculation carries no assumption of certainty -- it's asking questions, not presupposing answers. Saying "I know in advance that this film is certain to be awful" isn't speculation, it's just a rush to judgment.
I know someone else that gets "feelings" as well...
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^ LOL
Wasn't that the original idea behind First Class? Showing the original X-Men as young teens? I can see them being able to fit this into the continuity of the previous X-films. After all, they established Beast was an early X-Man, and by implication, Scott, Jean, and Ororo.
It would be a bit like Ultimate X-Men, which mixed and matched some of the original X-Men (Cyclops, Beast, Marvel Girl) with some of the second group (Wolverine, Storm, Colossus).
I think it could be good. I like the idea of Prof. X and Magneto at first being allies, then having a falling out. Sometimes your worst enemies start out as your friends.
The original idea was an adaption of the comic book "X-Men: First Class" which they went ahead with by hiring Josh Schwartz who did a draft. Then last winter Bryan Singer pitched his treatment and wanted to return to direct the film but legal problems with Warner Bros and his project "Jack the Giant Killer" prevented him from doing so. It has evolved from simply being an adaption of the First Class comic book into a prequel for the X-Men films.