wwe vs tnt anyone watching?

[barnaclelapse]

Poor Ryder.

Heh.

I have the weirdest feeling we're gonna see Triple H and Punk on a Survivor Series team.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Nah, I think it'll be a team of faces representing Triple H as COO, and a team of heels representing John Laurinaitis' attempt to replace him.


My guesses of who will be on those teams...

faces:
John Cena
CM Punk
Sheamus
Kofi Kingston
Evan Bourne

heels:
Alberto Del Rio
Christian
Jack Swagger
Dolph Ziggler
Cody Rhodes

 

[Mr Silver]

^ You forgot The Rock!

Here's what I think the teams could be...

Team Face
John Cena
The Rock
CM Punk
Sheamus
Random Midcard Face (take your pick - John Morrison, Daniel Bryan, Ezekiel Jackson, Sin Cara (Blue), etc)

Team Heel
Alberto Del Rio
Christian
Cody Rhodes
The Miz
R Truth

I have no idea who the fifth man will be for the Face team, but I don't think it will be anyone really big (Randy Orton, etc). I think Miz and Truth will be in the match and on Team Heel, because they will be "rehired" in the next couple of weeks. If you've noticed, they haven't even been off TV in the two weeks since they were "fired"! That's pro wrestling for you!

 

[Jetfire]

I really hate that they are teaming up CM Punk with Cena...I think it was pointed out here(?) before that CM Punk is an anti-hero...he is WWE's Batman and him teaming up with SuperCENA just diminishes all he has built up in the past few months. I'd rather CM Punk not be part of it and they continued with what they were doing just before MiTB. JMHO.

[edit] CM Punk needs to be on the outside and calling things for what they are...and there is alot for him to rip with this whole story.

 

[Mr Silver]

The match itself is pretty predictable...

Scenario A: Cena and Rock are the two last men standing and have a staredown in the middle of the ring.

Scenario B: Cena and Rock have a brawl and Team Heel takes advantage of it to pin both of them.

Scenario C: Cena is the last man standing. Earlier in the match he "accidentally" causes Rock's elimination.

Scenario D: Rock is the last man standing. Earlier in the match he "accidentally" causes Cena's elimination.

IMHO, B is the best scenario the heels get the win (to further the "conspiracy" storyline) and progresses the Rock/Cena feud in the build towards Wrestlemania. This is WWE remember - the same company that screwed up it's biggest storyline in years by having Cena come out on top in the Nexus VS WWE elimination match at Summerslam 2010.

 

[Jetfire]

B & D seem likely...I also think Team Face will have Mason Ryan & not Orton...or anyone else.

 

[timothy]

Nah, I think it'll be a team of faces representing Triple H as COO, and a team of heels representing John Laurinaitis' attempt to replace him.


My guesses of who will be on those teams...

faces:
John Cena
CM Punk
Sheamus
Kofi Kingston
Evan Bourne

heels:
Alberto Del Rio
Christian
Jack Swagger
Dolph Ziggler
Cody Rhodes

I like these teams and the Rock will either be special refree or enforcer for the match.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Possible details about where the walk out angle is heading...nothing shocking here. Really just common sense.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/quicknews/article_53976.shtml

The Torch is also reporting that Hulk Hogan has renewed his contract with TNA. No details yet about length or amount.

CM Punk also recently posted a series of tweets saying that everyone has missed the point (wrestlers, creative, and fans) of his anti-authority stance. I'll see if I can find them.

Finally the trailer for the Shawn Vs Bret DVD. I simply can't wait for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaDlHtuJqdY

 

[barnaclelapse]

The match itself is pretty predictable...

Scenario A: Cena and Rock are the two last men standing and have a staredown in the middle of the ring.

Scenario B: Cena and Rock have a brawl and Team Heel takes advantage of it to pin both of them.

Scenario C: Cena is the last man standing. Earlier in the match he "accidentally" causes Rock's elimination.

Scenario D: Rock is the last man standing. Earlier in the match he "accidentally" causes Cena's elimination.

IMHO, B is the best scenario the heels get the win (to further the "conspiracy" storyline) and progresses the Rock/Cena feud in the build towards Wrestlemania. This is WWE remember - the same company that screwed up it's biggest storyline in years by having Cena come out on top in the Nexus VS WWE elimination match at Summerslam 2010.

Predictable, sure, but it could still wind up being a hell of a good moment. It's all about the execution.

Scenario B or A make the most sense to me.

And I still think there's a chance we'll see Triple H and Punk teaming somehow. I'm probably wrong. It's just a notion I can't shake.

I don't mind Punk/Cena teaming. It's not like they're high-fiving each other at the end of the match. The tension between them is being maintained, and it's more or less being played as a marriage of convenience. I don't think it's diminished Punk a bit.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'm sorry but I can't watch Impact Wrestling. I try and then start to tear out the remainder of my hair in frustration and boredom. If any one cares it's Hogan's "retirement" night. Out of curiosity I watched the end...the match is pretty much set up now. Joker Sting Vs Old Man Hogan at Bound for Glory, with the stipulation that if Sting wins Hogan will give the company back to him and Dixie. LOL.

 

[timothy]

me either, first it was just to much good tv on. and then I got caught up and it's just getting worse over and I can't take it any more. it's worse than the last days wcw and ecw. so I am just staying with the wwe. I may just go back to sticking with random ppv's other than that I am done with impact wrestling it's just so bad.

 

[Mr Silver]

What do you think are the biggest mistakes that WWE have made this year? For me...

- Most of the Wrestlemania 27 card.
- John Cena winning the WWE Championship at Extreme Rules.
- Drafting John Cena to Smackdown, only to draft him back to Raw on the same night.
- Randy Orton defeating Christian for the World Heavyweight Championship, 48 hours after he won the title.
- The John Cena VS The Miz match at Over The Limit.
- The Obama impersonator at Capitol Punishment.
- The entire "two WWE Champions" debacle.
- Alberto Del Rio winning the WWE Championship at Summerslam.
- John Cena winning the WWE Championship at Night Of Champions.
- Airing commercials during PPV's.

 

[timothy]

I am going with:

Randy Orton defeating Christian for the world Heavyweight Championship, 48 hours after he won the title. and the Obama impersonator at capitol punishment. Thos were just god aweful and not funny.

one thing I am glad about is the drop the whole raw gm nonsense.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I agree with Admiral M's selections. Here is the updated Bound for Glory card...i'm a little less interested in this as I was a couple months ago. There is a NO DQ stip added to Joker Sting Vs Old Man Hogan as well.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_54029.shtml

Also Impact Wrestling received it's lowest ratings of the year I think on Thursday for the Hogan retirement swerve. My guess is that the spoilers from a couple of weeks ago didn't help matters and people are tired of being pissed off??

I'll do my Bound for Glory picks just off the whim and with no basis or effort into these:

Joker Sting vs Old Man Hogan (No DQ For Control of the company!!!!)

Winner: Joker Sting...it makes absolutely ZERO sense for Hogan to win, but then this is TNA afterall and logic gets tossed out the window like it almost doesn't exist to begin with.

Kurt Angle (c) vs Bobby Roode (TNA World Heavyweight Championship Title match)

Winner: I'm picking Angle but I guess Roode could win. Again lack of logic or insight on my part lol.

Winter (c) Vs Velvet Sky Vs Mickie James Vs Madison Rayne (Four Way Match for the TNA Knockout Championship)

Winner: Honestly I have no clue...uhhh Winter retains? Yeah that sounds good.

Rob Vam Dam Vs Jerry Lynn (Full Metal Mayham Match...What???)

Winner: The Whole Fucking Show???

Mr. Anderson Vs Bubba...errrr Bully Ray ( Falls Count Anywhere Philadelphia Street Fight)

Winner: Sigh. This gets a fail for the long ass stipulations and making me type Philadelphia correctly twice!!! I'm picking Mr. Anderson even though probably Bully will win

Austin Aries (c) vs Brian Kendrick (TNA X Division Championship Match)

Winner: Austin Aries retains

Mexican Americans (c) Vs Inc, Ink (TNA World Tag Team Titles)

Winner: Inc, Ink...

A.J. Styles Vs Christopher Daniels (I Quit Match)

Winner: A.J. Styles


Wow TNA sucks.


Also tomorrow on Raw only 8 superstars will be in action due to the walkout angle. The superstars are: CM Punk. Sheamus, Kelly Kelly, Eve, Big Show, Mason Ryan, John Cena, and Randy Orton. All faces hmmm.

 

[Mr Silver]

I don't know if any of you have seen this before. It started making the rounds in 2006 and was alleged to have been leaked WWE payroll details. It does have some truth to it, although despite what it says, the amounts don't include such things as merchandise and PPV bonuses. The amounts, if correct are likely only the downside (a sum a wrestler will recieve annually regardless).

It's hard to work out the salaries of WWE wrestlers in 2011. Let's look at Triple H for example. This guy recieves two salaries - his downside as a wrestler and his pay as an office employee. Let's assume that Triple H's downside is the $2,013,000 (it's likely half that figure) stated in the link. His office salary will be in the low hundreds of thousands and he probably gets the same merchandise cut as the other guys. Triple H's annual income is probably close to $4 million, add to that his veteran benefits such as free first class travel, accomodation and use of the company jet (for being a McMahon), the guy isn't spending much money at all!

I don't actually know whether Undertaker is under a contract with a downside. If he is, it would be a waste of money on WWE's part. The Undertaker's downside is probably well into the $1 million figure and that's before he even recieves his merchandise royalties! As a semi-retired wrestler, he's probably under something similar to the "Legends" contract where he recieves merchandise cuts and can make public appearances at events like UFC. When Taker does return, this contract will probably be ammended to include a basic downside - but with a generous wrestling appearance bonus.

Wrestlemania is the biggest single pay off for any WWE wrestler all year. The guys on the undercard typically make a few thousands dollars in that one night, whilst the main eventers can make anything into the hundreds of thousands. The likes of Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan have made over a million dollars in Wrestlemania bonuses through the years.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'm still thinking Undertaker is "working" under his previous deal. I don't think he has resigned or signed a new deal. Salaries have never really made sense to me...but I do remember coming across that post.

 

[Mr Silver]

I don't really know how WWE's business economics work, but I have a good idea. Yes, The Undertaker could be working under his previous deal, but from a business perspective that would be a bad idea. He's taken a long term leave of absence and it's likely that WWE would have ammended his contract to reflect that. Sure, if a wrestler is injured during their contract, they are still paid their salary and merchandise royalties (although new merchandise is put on hold until they return) but this is done with the assumption that they will be returning.

The Undertaker hasn't given any indication that he's going to return as a full time or even part time wrestler. That would mean an enormous waste of money for WWE, given that the Undertaker receives one of the biggest contract packages. When Edge was injured in early 2003 and missed over a year, his contract remained active because it was relatively smaller in comparison to his later contract and he was continuing to make public appearances for the company with the intention of returning to a full time schedule. The Undertaker makes no public appearances for the company, where before this was down to him and WWE wanting to preserve the kayfabe of the Undertaker character. Nowadays they don't have to worry too much about the kayfabe of the character since the Undertaker character has evolved past the cartoony supernatural character and into "The Last Outlaw".

When Taker returned in 2004 as the "Phenom" character, from that point until his "Last Outlaw" character there have only been three occasions that I can recall where the kayfabe of the character has been broken. The first time it happened was when Taker carried the US flag to the ring at a UFC event, the second was when he came out - post broadcast, at Ric Flair's retirement show and hugged Flair and celebrated with the other wrestlers. The most recent break of character came during the exchange that Taker and Brock Lesnar had at another UFC event following Lesnar's win. This was apparently designed to gauge interest in the possibility of a Lesnar/Taker match some point down the line.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Indeed. Marc could very well have renegotiated his deal and the announcement hasn't been made...I wouldn't be shocked if as you suggested they announce a multi-year "Legends" deal when he DOES return. I'm glad that he's resting up and spending time with his family but I'm eager for the Deadman's return! Moreso over Jericho...which is kind of a weird statement coming from me, but I'm a huge Undertaker mark.

 

[Mr Silver]

I'm a huge Undertaker mark.

Me too!

I've been reluctant to mention this but I feel it could be interesting to see what people think. As you are aware, WWE owns all the trademarks to The Undertaker gimmick. In theory, they could continue the gimmick with another wrestler in the role.

Now this would obviously have to be done with Mark Calaway's blessing. I can imagine that the successor would be known as "Undertaker" and not "The Undertaker" in order to drive the point that the current wrestler in the gimmick is Taker's protege and not a replacement.

I've even envisioned a scenario. Following Undertaker's last match, he would appear on Raw and come down to the ring with a torch, accompanied with his druids. Taker would get on the mic and say that "the legend must continue" - at which point a solitary druid without a torch would come into the ring. Undertaker would pass the torch to the druid and do his one knee pose - the druid would derobe revealing a new Undertaker with an updated "Phenom" attire.

I'd assume that the wrestler who takes on the role would be an FCW talent that WWE see's big things in. An unknown wrestler in order to preserve the mystique of the character (it's not going to work if someone like Claudio Castagnoli took on the role). The wrestler would also have to be similar in stature to Taker and capable of safely performing the Tombstone Piledriver. I'd imagine that everything that Mark Calaway has brought to the role (MMA and Biker influences, The Last Ride, Hells Gate, Old School, etc) would be left out of the successor's character. It's a case of taking the base elements of The Undertaker character from his debut (the Chokeslam and Tombstone Piledriver, the outfit, mannerisms and taunts and the music) and developing it from there.

 

[Admiral_Young]

While an interesting idea...creating a legacy character...I don't really think that fans would go for that. I think the majority of them including the s'marks would probably think that would be disrespecting Calloway even if it was done with his blessing. I can't really see him doing that either honestly.

So has this thread become the WWE and ROH thread now? No interest in Bound For Glory? I'm not surprised if that's the case.