Chris Daniels Vs AJ. Huh. When did this happen and for Rao's sakes why is AJ still a mid carder? He should be in the damn World Title picture.
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As far as I know this match was one of the first booked, as for why AJ isn't in the main event picture, two words "Vince Russo".
it was made on last weeks show. it was original going to be aj vs soma joe but christopher had to but and make it a match of "in the spirt of compation". see what you miss when you don't watch.
I think I understood that. So AJ and Chris Daniels are just doing a one off match?
Oh, FFS. That would be the same Russo who was booking in late 2009, and finished the year with main events of AJ v Joe v Daniels and AJ v Daniels and put the title on AJ?
Nothing more annoying than IWC cliches being spouted with no basis in fact.
Pretty much, as two of the key components in the X Division from the early days of the company, they were the logical ones to headline an X Division PPV.
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I did read that Destination X was going to be booked strong with former participants, so that match makes sense now. I just hope they don't start a feud/program between the two of them. That'd be boring...great wrestling but boring.
Hogan's last hurrah I assume. Yeah Impact Wrestling has been pushing this since Sting resigned. I believe this was promised him as part of his contract. Or Hogan wanted it. I can't remember which now.
Actually it was Vince Russo's decision as booker to have AJ Styles drop the title to Rob Van Dam and it was also his decision to have Styles managed by Flair, a move which cost Styles a lot of his momentum. That was my reasoning behind the statement I made. Vince Russo isn't responsible for most of the stuff the IWC place blame on (people not being pushed, terribly performed matches and questionable title switches) but in this case he was. As head booker he decided to have AJ imitate Ric Flair (something that just didn't work) and then take the title of AJ (who at the time was the most over main eventer in the promotion) and put it on Rob Van Dam who had only recently debuted and who had barely established himself within the promotion.
I too am not a fan of IWC cliches. In this case it was down to Russo, maybe not entirely his fault but management went with his booking decisions which cost AJ a lot of momentum and as a result he remains outside the main event picture.
Fair enough.
I think things are a bit blurrier from January 2010. The creative influence of Hogan and Bischoff cannot be discounted. The fact that Hogan had talked about building a promotion around RVD long before he came to TNA is of particular relevance, I think.
For that reason, I'd think the second half of 2009 - after they cleared out Jarrett's supporters, and before Hogan and Bischoff took over - is the purest example of Russo's own vision, and I think it's significant that there were a lot of positives. Plenty of mistakes, mind you, but a lot of positives.
Perhaps, regardless of who was in charge, it was the situation which Heyman referred to - the benefits of a unified vision, rather than the compromised product which results from competing booking styles and plans.
Hopefully Hogan and Bischoff go at the ends of their contracts in a few months, and we can see a new direction for TNA.
I think things are a bit blurrier from January 2010. The creative influence of Hogan and Bischoff cannot be discounted. The fact that Hogan had talked about building a promotion around RVD long before he came to TNA is of particular relevance, I think.
For that reason, I'd think the second half of 2009 - after they cleared out Jarrett's supporters, and before Hogan and Bischoff took over - is the purest example of Russo's own vision, and I think it's significant that there were a lot of positives. Plenty of mistakes, mind you, but a lot of positives.
Perhaps, regardless of who was in charge, it was the situation which Heyman referred to - the benefits of a unified vision, rather than the compromised product which results from competing booking styles and plans.
Hopefully Hogan and Bischoff go at the ends of their contracts in a few months, and we can see a new direction for TNA.
I see your point about the "blurry" transition in early 2010. TNA wants their fans to believe that Hogan and Bischoff are working as consultants and in that position they are advising management about what works and what doesn't. Trouble is, there has been a lot of controversary generated when some names have announced their confusion about who their boss is. As far as I can tell, Dixie Carter is still in charge, she is the one who authorises payments, signs contracts and says "yes" and "no". But it also seems as if Hogan and Bischoff were given a good chunk of control.
Bischoff is one of those management types who cannot function to their full potential unless they have almost complete control of their position. It seems as if TNA said "You two come into our promotion as on air personalities but we'd also be willing to have you work behind the scenes in developing our product". I'm surprised Bischoff even came to TNA, given his business style, it must be frustrating having to make suggestions and not have the authority to implement ideas. Although, like i've speculated, in may be that Bischoff did initially have a lot more control than was specified.
TNA's attitude towards talent in the last year or so has been disgraceful. Here is every World champion in the last year...
Rob Van Dam
Jeff Hardy
Mr Anderson
Jeff Hardy
Sting
Mr Anderson
Those 4 men are all established household names from different promotions. Rob Van Dam made his career in ECW and solidified his status as a headliner in WWE. Sting was at one point considered among the top babyfaces in the world. He had an incredible run in WCW, holding the WCW title on multiple occasions, having acclaimed feuds with the likes of Ric Flair, Vader, Hulk Hogan and The Great Muta and he holds the distinction as one of the only world renowned wrestlers to have never worked for the WWE. Jeff Hardy made his career in the WWE, despite having personal problems and needing to take time off on more than one occasions, he reached his peak in 2008 and captured the WWE championship once and the World Heavyweight championship on two occasions. Citing burnout and the need to recuperate, he left WWE and resurfaced in TNA a few months later. Mr Anderson I've never been big on, I compare him to Dolph Ziggler in the way that he has a certain look and can have good matches with people, but he is often lumbered with no real storylines and is partirculary overrated by the IWC, who have compared his mic skills to that of The Rock. Nevertheless, his carelessness with Randy Orton and tendancy to get injured cost him his job in the "work you like a horse and if you get hurt then you'll lose your spot" WWE. And then of course, TNA swooped in like a magpie seeing something shiny.
There are three men in TNA who should be working the main event but aren't for a variety of reasons. These three men are AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe. Each one of them has been with TNA from near the beginning, they've helped develop the product whilst growing as performers themselves. They've not used their successes in other promotions to further themselves without putting the work in like so many of the ex WWE and WCW names have.
Hulk Hogan, along with Dixie Carter are apprently heavily invested in Abyss and his constant featuring role in upper mid card and main events is a result of this backing. Whilst Abyss is a good solid talent and has a unique look and style in the ring, they've really put their foot in by having him hold the X Divison championship and behave like Hulk Hogan prior to his heel turn.
Crimson along with Gunner both have a lot of supporters backstage and I could easily see TNA giving one of them a trial with the TNA World Championship, whether or not its the best thing to do. WWE took a similar risk with Sheamus back in 2009, however that did pay off because Sheamus has the ability to talk and wrestle to the WWE standard.
All in all though, it seems the problems TNA have, tend to be more politically related than people are willing to let on.
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@timothy a program between Scott Steiner and Kurt Angle would be horrible and funny as hell. Scott would drop Kurt on his neck with a botched move then tell the dude to fuck off in the ring afterwards. He's an ass hole.
I figure they would cripple each other since both of them are great at supplex's.
I am wondering if cm punk will show up on tonights raw.
so what did everyone think of disstination x, and what was you're favorite match? I had three rob van dam vs jerry lynn, aj vs christopher and abyss vs brian kindrick. I am surprised they did'nt put the world title in this ppv.
I am wondering if cm punk will show up on tonights raw.
so what did everyone think of disstination x, and what was you're favorite match? I had three rob van dam vs jerry lynn, aj vs christopher and abyss vs brian kindrick. I am surprised they did'nt put the world title in this ppv.
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It was a X Division style PPV timothy there was no need for a World Title match. Look at the booking for the PPV.
As I stated before in the thread Vince is supposed to address the Punk situation tonight. No idea if Punk will be there with one more week before his contract expires.
As I stated before in the thread Vince is supposed to address the Punk situation tonight. No idea if Punk will be there with one more week before his contract expires.
WWE on Demand will have an nWo edition airing beginning July 22 with Jim Ross, Kevin Nash, JJ Dillon and Michael Hayes.
Won't be able to watch Raw now. My landlord cancelled our second tier cable package which contains the network that airs WWE programming in Canada. Not a big deal. No one else in the house except me watched channels in that package and I didn't feel like chipping in more money just to keep five or six channels that I did watch. Besides which my interest in wrestling is starting to wan again. I'll continue to follow things on the internet though.
Won't be able to watch Raw now. My landlord cancelled our second tier cable package which contains the network that airs WWE programming in Canada. Not a big deal. No one else in the house except me watched channels in that package and I didn't feel like chipping in more money just to keep five or six channels that I did watch. Besides which my interest in wrestling is starting to wan again. I'll continue to follow things on the internet though.
So after seeing Raw, anyone still think this isn't just a really smartly written angle for Punk? Either way if he does end up leaving the company he does so with one of the greatest write outs ever. If he has resigned then he continues as one of the best heels WWE has. It's also possible that they take him off TV for a while to play it up more and bring him back perhaps at Summerslam. Until I'm told otherwise, I think this is just one huge angle.
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The Colt Cabana chants were cool and the ice cream thing. 