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What's with the Raw spoilers? There's spoiler code for that. The firing story line is an angle. I and others shouldn't need to explain why they have them. They're usually done in a kayfabe way to mislead marks and fans to what is going in real life or to write out characters and bring them back repackaged.
The best firing angle (which turned into a shoot) ever done involved Eric Bischoff and the legend that was Brian Pillman. Pillman started this "loose cannon" character and would often break kayfabe and breach the norm at WCW events, it eventually got so popular that Bischoff decided to a firing angle. To confuse the hell out of insiders and even the guys in the back, Pillman suggested Bischoff did it for real and Bischoff filled out all the paperwork and released him from his contract.
But it gets better, part of this "plan" was for Pillman to go to ECW and try and steal some of their fanbase by having Pillman become the top guy in ECW, then have him return to WCW, taking some of the fanbase with him. So on Pillman's first night, he cut a scathing shoot promo on Eric Bischoff, informed Paul Heyman of Bischoff's plans and admitted he conned Bischoff to get out of his contract. Pillman then entered contract negotiations with WWF and was signed by them a few weeks later.
But it gets better, part of this "plan" was for Pillman to go to ECW and try and steal some of their fanbase by having Pillman become the top guy in ECW, then have him return to WCW, taking some of the fanbase with him. So on Pillman's first night, he cut a scathing shoot promo on Eric Bischoff, informed Paul Heyman of Bischoff's plans and admitted he conned Bischoff to get out of his contract. Pillman then entered contract negotiations with WWF and was signed by them a few weeks later.
^ I remember that. I miss Brian Pillman. I still remember that one program he did with Austin before he dead. Remember everyone at school thinking that was real lol.
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Is ROH any good?
That would be fantastic.
ROH is typically a fantastic alternative to WWE and TNA.
I remember the stuff with Pillman well. It was pretty wild stuff.
Yeah, I posted a couple of pages back at some recommendations anyone not used to the product should check out. Its worth checking out.
Anyone notice the rememerging trend of the "5 moves of doom"?
First of all you have Cena, thats a given. He does his fishermans suplex, then makes a comeback with his shoulder tackles before hitting a blue thunder powerbomb. Cue the five knuckle shuffle and the AA and its usually over. Then we have Orton, who counters a move into a twisting reverse neckbreaker, he then hits a snap powerslam and goes for the rope hung DDT. Following this he hits an Angle slam and does his RKO setup before hitting the move, although recently its usually blocked initially and then he hits it out of nowhere a few moments later.
Triple H briefly dabbled with this concept, he would hit his knee facebuster, a clothesline, the Harley Race style knee, a spinebuster and then the pedigree. Its only a matter of time before someone else adopts this trope as part of their standard in ring performance.
Isn't Bret Hart the one who fans generally coined the term after?
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Jetfire
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I know I have seen people post about it but I must have zoned out...I was thinking about ROH after CM Punk's little rant on RAW...I saw some vid on YT...it looks better than IMPACT.
I think it was Hulk Hogan (who had the "three moves of doom"), but Bret Hart did have his own five moves of doom a typical Bret match would consist of a suplex, reverse atomic drop, russian legsweep, diving front elbow and then the sharpshooter. But its not as bad as Hogan's typical match, which went punch, big boot and then legdrop. Hogan's repotoire did briefly improve to five moves, which consisted of the ax bomber lariat, a bodyslam, punch, big boot and the legdrop. Still, Hogan was never much of a wrestler, just an absolutely incredible charismatic icon.
During Edge's 2002 run, he would have a match that consisted of a missile dropkick, the Edge o'matic, a half nelson facebuster, the spear and then the Edgecution or the Edgecator.
^^Maybe the 5 moves of doom are going to become a staple of the Main Event.
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Jetfire
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The Miz seems to have "5 moves of doom" too...I couldn't tell you what they are but it looks like he does the same damn thing in the ring every match...not that I am complaining. Cause he is AWESOME! 
DBD too, I don't know what the other 4 are, but the 5th is generally the Lebell Lock.
...not that DBD is in the main event.
...not that DBD is in the main event.
Quite possibly, in the 80's they were regarded as moves synonymous with the top guys. With the emergence of lucha libre imports to the US and the hardcore wrestling scenes, the focus shifted from trademark moves to spots.
I think a decisive finish is missing from most matches in the US wrestling scene. Sure, its cool when someone kicks out of an unstoppable finish and when done in big matches its great for drama. When Kurt Angle first debuted, nobody kicked out of his Angle/Olympic slam. Nowadays, pretty much everyone kicks out of it, he has to rely on his ankle lock to end matches decisively in most cases.
In 2002/2003, Chris Jericho had multiple finishing moves. He had the breakdown full nelson facebuster, the missile dropkick, the running sleeper slam called the flashback, a running enziguri, the lionsault and of course, the walls of Jericho. Everybody kicked out of these moves (or in the case of the walls, escaped). Jericho would usually miss the lionsault and wind up winning most matches with a distraction in which he'd lock on the walls, cheat or get a flash pin.
I think every wrestler needs a credible finishing move that when hit, isn't kicked out of (unless its in a big match to add drama). WWE have done this really well with the likes of Austin, Taker and most recently Orton.
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Jetfire
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[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mN9dLKmcYc[/yt]
Top Ten Moves of The Miz
20 Moves Of The Miz
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My fav finisher was Wrath's Meltdown
Top Ten Moves of The Miz
20 Moves Of The Miz
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My fav finisher was Wrath's Meltdown
I was just thinking about how WWE is moving into a new "reality" based genre of storytelling (obviously within PG content)
What if Punk wins the title from Cena and then Cena is fired? Punk would leave WWE and appear at an "unidentified indie promotion" (ROH) where he would defend the WWE title against the likes of Colt Cabana, etc. Punk would then discard Cena's spinner title, claiming its a symbol of the money obsessed WWE. Punk would return to WWE with a new belt (I'm thinking Austin's "smoking skull" belt to capitalise on Punk and Austin's twitter feud) along with Colt Cabana (since Punk is pushing for Cabana to be given a contract as part of the conditions for him staying). Punk would then proclaim he is back to save WWE from itself and the corporate titans that run it. Cena would be rehired in order to help fight Punk and his team of "indie wrestlers" (callups from FCW). Punk and his crew would spend a few weeks tearing apart the top guys in the WWE and getting more hate from the fans, before the winner of the RAW MITB challenges Punk at Summerslam.
In this match the MITB winner would lose (despite interference from Cena) after Colt Cabana makes his debut and helps Punk win. Cena would then feud with Punk over the belt until Survivor Series, where Team Punk and Team Cena would have a match, with Cena's team winning (and Cena regaining the WWE title). A bitter member of Cena's team could then start a feud with Cena whilst Punk continues to feud in the main event picture.
What if Punk wins the title from Cena and then Cena is fired? Punk would leave WWE and appear at an "unidentified indie promotion" (ROH) where he would defend the WWE title against the likes of Colt Cabana, etc. Punk would then discard Cena's spinner title, claiming its a symbol of the money obsessed WWE. Punk would return to WWE with a new belt (I'm thinking Austin's "smoking skull" belt to capitalise on Punk and Austin's twitter feud) along with Colt Cabana (since Punk is pushing for Cabana to be given a contract as part of the conditions for him staying). Punk would then proclaim he is back to save WWE from itself and the corporate titans that run it. Cena would be rehired in order to help fight Punk and his team of "indie wrestlers" (callups from FCW). Punk and his crew would spend a few weeks tearing apart the top guys in the WWE and getting more hate from the fans, before the winner of the RAW MITB challenges Punk at Summerslam.
In this match the MITB winner would lose (despite interference from Cena) after Colt Cabana makes his debut and helps Punk win. Cena would then feud with Punk over the belt until Survivor Series, where Team Punk and Team Cena would have a match, with Cena's team winning (and Cena regaining the WWE title). A bitter member of Cena's team could then start a feud with Cena whilst Punk continues to feud in the main event picture.
^So is this amounting to another Invasion angle like the whole WWE vs. The Alliance (WCW/ECW) in 2001?
No not quite, because none of the talent would be from any other promotion. They would only be referred to as "indie wrestlers" during the storyline and each of them would be members of the FCW roster. Punk would simply be creating yet another nexus, but the focus would solely be on him and not the other guys. It would give a the FCW guys some experience on tv and it would give Punk an armada so he remains untouchable until the other members of Raw decide to band together.
The indie guys would remain nameless and not cut any promos, they'd simply stand guard in the ring and agree with everything Punk says. If it came to the wrestling prior to Survivor Series, they'd only do so in team matches and be known by a first name. Colt Cabana would come in as Punk's ally towards the end and he would not be regarded as an "indie wrestler", rather Punk's friend from back home.
The indie guys would remain nameless and not cut any promos, they'd simply stand guard in the ring and agree with everything Punk says. If it came to the wrestling prior to Survivor Series, they'd only do so in team matches and be known by a first name. Colt Cabana would come in as Punk's ally towards the end and he would not be regarded as an "indie wrestler", rather Punk's friend from back home.
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Jetfire
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WWE reminds me of SMALLVILLE...taking things and driving things into the ground while fans eat it up while teasing things(the end game) for an obscene amount time...I blame the fans...WWE is only doing what they can get away with...much like SMALLVILLE for 10 seasons...but WWE doesn't have 10 seasons...it has a year for everything to come to a head and they sure do stretch it out.
^ I was considering crafting a post that defended the honor of one of those shows being even compared to the other, but I came to the conclusion that are pretty much equal.
Much wasted time and many wasted opportunities.
I'm still saying Punk will win (probably not cleanly) and then be picked off by a MitB winner.
Much wasted time and many wasted opportunities.
I'm still saying Punk will win (probably not cleanly) and then be picked off by a MitB winner.