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wwe vs tnt anyone watching?

that was a fantastic ppv I loved the abyss kinzarian match and kurt vs jeff over the top. looking forward to impact this thursday for the aftermath. aj vs ray was great,
they really need to work him up for champion ship material. for ken vs ray or sting vs ray. because we all know sting will want a title rematch. over all a fun fantastic night.


and off topic dallas mav's are the new nba champions fucking awesome < excuse the french.
 
I didn't like that condescending promo from Hogan about the six sided ring either. What a way to endear yourself to your fan base and product that you're trying to build by insulting it right off the bat. "It's the big time now here brother!!! Big time has four squares, not six sides." (paraphrasing big time). I rolled my eyes at that thing. I've also hated the Immortal crap...yet another attempt at an nWo style story that has gone no where and in my opinion not been beneficial to the company at all.

I look forward to seeing the botches from Slammiversey in the next Botchamania!!! Did Kurt get dropped on his neck from Jarrett again?
 
can't wait for botchamania. those are great you got hooked on another thing admiral young both are so good brother. all I so missed the six sided ring. that is what made tna great. all so now sting has lost his title do you think we will see more on the hulk vs sting match?
 
Yes. It seems pretty clear that is what Impact Wrestling is heading towards one last Hogan Vs Sting match. Have no idea what PPV it would take place at though.
 
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Yes. It seems pretty clear that is what Impact Wrestling is heading towards one last Hogan Vs Sting match. Have no idea what PPV it would take place at though.
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Logically speaking, it should be their "wrestlemania" of the year and that, for them, is bound for glory. However with TNA's reluctance to invoke logic in the established pro wrestling (if there is one at all!) sense, it could really be any one of a dozen ppvs throughout the year.

Edit: Any chance we can change "tnt" in the thread title to "tna"? No disrespect to the thread starter, but it just preys upon my anal instincts (don't get any ideas!)
 
now don't forget that RAW is a three hour show tonight. and hosted by stone cold steve austin this should be fun. a free ppv all most.
 
Yeah that was requested when the thread was first created I think and nothing was done about it.

Bound For Glory makes the most sense. Funny. I know It's considered their "wrestlemania" but they should seriously consider making Slammiversary their marquee PPV.

Raw's three hour shows suck most of the time and in my opinion are let downs. I can't remember the last one they did where I was actually entertained. I'll be passing on it due to the hockey game.
 
well here we go. and we start the show with the miz. what a way to start a show.


first half hour of awesomeness. and more to come, all so we have rowdy rowdy piper with a pipers pitt.


just checked in on the finales vancover 0 boston 4 2nd half wow.

I love kelly kelly new move I wish I was a bella twin at that momment.
and don't forget to watch the price is right!! tommarrow.<

michael cole needs to realize that the 80's ruled!!
another 3 hour RAW next week. and how many times can we destroy a lap top. power to the people.
 
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I do but the segment with him and stone cold steve austin was just so damn good. and heh what happened with you're cannucks huh dallas finally won a champion ship.
RAW was fantastic should've watched. and I thought you did'nt want commentary.
now we got impact wrestling and smackdown and then finally wwe's ppv will be over and we can stop those bad commericals with the president. I mean really, really and they never used you're miz in them at all.
 
I do but the segment with him and stone cold steve austin was just so damn good. and heh what happened with you're cannucks huh dallas finally won a champion ship.
RAW was fantastic should've watched. and I thought you did'nt want commentary.
now we got impact wrestling and smackdown and then finally wwe's ppv will be over and we can stop those bad commericals with the president. I mean really, really and they never used you're miz in them at all.
 
A summary isn't a commentary. It's a summary of the show. You stated like three things that happened in the show in your first post...but whatever. I'll just go look on the 'net.


Slam Wrestling is reporting that next month at Destination X we will see the return of the six sided ring...
 
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I found flaws with TNA long before Hogan and Bischoff ever showed up. I don't hold them responsible for the current state of the company. Their work in creative certainly isn't helping matters, but there were problems before they ever came into play. I think TNA's current problems can be attributed to long-stemming problems that were bound to come to a head sooner or later.

TNA can make an impact (no pun intended). They just seem to have zero follow-through for a lot of things. Stars, story lines, all of these things have been done in at one time or another. WWE can get away with doing that a good deal more, but also because they don't blow it quite as often. TNA creative seems plagued by people who aren't willing to commit full energy to story lines from start to finish. The talent should be held responsible for that, too, but I think the blame should largely fall on creative.

How much power does Jarrett yield these days?

It's irritating. They have a good talent roster of young guys and veterans (Flair, Jarrett, Angle and even Hogan could potentially be utilized as a positive). They have a phenomenal TV deal. They have good production values and exist at a time when fans are eager for the days when there were strong, mainstream alternatives to WWE (ROH is getting there. I agree that new people need to be brought in from creative. People who can look at all the decided pluses the company has to off, shift things around and create a product that plays off the strengths that I think are very prevalent within even the worst of their PPVs and Impact tapings.

WWE creative circa-1997/1998 could turn TNA into a close-second within a year. I believe that, and I believe it's energy like that which could push TNA to where they ought to be. I'm not talking about replicating anything. I just mean people who can see potential, use the established stars to their strengths and come up with something amazing and endlessly entertaining.

I guess we'll just have to hope such a thing happens before TNA goes the way of every other wrestling promotion besides WWE. I hope not. I know the Monday Night Wars can never be repeated, but something even halfway close to that kind of competition would be awesome.
 
The big problem with TNA creative is a lack of a concerted direction.

Heyman said in an interview last year that even if Russo and Bischoff could work together, the end product is inherently compromised, because each would be altering their style and vision to come to an agreed plan. He wanted to just fire a stack of the older wrestlers and the creative team, bring in a co-booker (who at the time had just left RoH) and have a multi-year plan to build the promotion up.

That didn't go over well with Dixie Carter, who felt a debt of loyalty to the veterans at TNA, or the network, which already saw a drop in ratings in late 2009 when they started pushing youth.

If they could find someone with the vision, dedication and skill to book the show with a long-term plan, while maintaining a good balance between youth and "names", it would be great, but is there such a person around? I hope there is, because if TNA goes, I'm done with wrestling.


As for Jarrett, he lost most of his power when he hooked up with Angle's ex-wife. He got sent away from the company for months, and Dixie promptly fired a lot of his allies - eg. Dutch Mantell and BG James. He's pretty much just another wrestler these days, by the sound of it.
 
^ I agree totally with that assessment. Regarding Jeff and Karen...IIRC they wrote him out and didn't mention anything about him and Karen until after the divorce was settled even though everyone knew that they seeing each other and living together. From what I understand Jeff is kind of a figurehead right now...and a loose one at that.

Regarding the production values of their shows. I dunno if I agree with barnaclepase about them having "good" production values. I posted a rant several pages ago I think where I ripped into them having their PPV's and weekly shows look the same. Maybe this has changed now with the name change, and set revamp, I dunno. To me it's all about the execution and I totally agree with donners23 about a lack of concerted diretion. Everyone seems to want to do their own thing and can't come to a consensus about who is in charge of what. Hogan seems to be Impact Wrestling's "face" (I mean in the spokesperson) sense while seemingly also booking matches with Bischofff who I'm sure is overseeing the production of the shows. I dunno I feel bad for them because as a wrestling fan I want to see them succeed because they do have a lot of great talent.
 
I agree with many of the opinions expressed about TNA's creative structure. A lot of people including TNA themselves, the IWC and several "dirtsheet writers" think that Paul Heyman would be able to turn around TNA's struggling fortunes. This is simply not the case, Paul Heyman's style of management and creative booking would clash with nearly all the other personnel involved in making the decisions. Heyman managed to bring ECW from an underground organisation to the number 3 US promotion because he had total control over his product. Whilst Heyman and Bischoff may have buried the hatchet from their time in the WWE, Russo and Heyman would be unable to work together.

If TNA really want to improve their organisation from within, the most logical things they can do are as follows...


  • Don't fire Vince Russo. On good days he can still contribute well and has the experience of working in larger organisations, rather take him off as head of the booking committee and replace him with someone who knows how to make good decisions more than 30% of the time.
  • Review Hogan and Bischoff's contracts. Each of these men are recieving a lot of money for doing virtually nothing. Hogan's strength is in the role as an ambassador or on screen personality, making him a consultant and cutting his salary (replacing it with a nicer merchandise cut) would ensure TNA are not cutting talent (Jay Lethal, etc) to pay his enormous salary. Bischoff's strength is in marketing and he should be working as a consultant or team leader in that department, with a part time contract to make on screen appearances (a'la Shane McMahon).
  • Focus less on on providing a direct challenge to WWE. TNA should be aiming to be the number 1 alternative to the WWE. Their strengths still lie in the X Division, Tag Team wrestling and Knockouts. If TNA were to offer much more in the way of wrestling from these elements, whilst working on improving their main event picture, it would increase their viewer demographic.
 
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Hmm. Some fascinating discussion we're engaging in here. If Russo is kept on I think you would need someone comfortable with their own aura (for lack of a better term) and able to manage and not take crap from him. In other words an alpha male or female who is able to say no to him. I think Russo was able to accomplish what he did in WWE because there were those who could say no to them and everyone knew that McMahon was the final say on things. TNA needs that instead of like ten different heads that only care about themselves. Heyman would have been an interesting choice but eventually I think even he would have run amok.
 
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