wwe vs tnt anyone watching?
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Vince has always hated tag team wrestling so dont get your hopes up. I kind of like the new Joker Sting Impact has going these days but it just seems so WCW(after the good years) over there. Bully Ray is a solid heel and Angle is still solid on the mic and gives everything left in the tank in the ring but the rest of the show just dull.
I loved me some WWE Superstars bars back in the day. Nothing like a frozen Jake the Snake on a stick to cool you off on a hot day. You tube has some in show spots up if you type in wwe ice cream commercial.
I loved me some WWE Superstars bars back in the day. Nothing like a frozen Jake the Snake on a stick to cool you off on a hot day. You tube has some in show spots up if you type in wwe ice cream commercial.
The Sting Joker parody thing is boring and unoriginal. Since his Crow character debuted he seems to be all about this type of stuff. I think WWE would have used him better and more entertaining had he signed. Big mistake on his part.
@timothy...you do realize that HHH being in charge is only an on screen role right?
@timothy...you do realize that HHH being in charge is only an on screen role right?
It's better not to ask questions which you don't want the answer to.
I will give Vince that he really sold it with the tears.
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Someone at KSite posted this...
Some pretty interesting thoughts...the stuff quoted is from http://www.f4wonline.com/ Wrestling Observer.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28536&page=472
Some pretty interesting thoughts...the stuff quoted is from http://www.f4wonline.com/ Wrestling Observer.
ROH is a privately held company, as a result we are unable to draw any conclusions based on financial and corporate trends. The only time ROH announces such things is when its of interest publically. Its the same thing with TNA, as Panda Energy (TNA's parent company) are also privately traded.
I would assume that if WWE were to forge a short term working agreement it would be based around CM Punk and his current storyline. It would else serve as an opportunity for indie talents to get spotted by the WWE (ROH has no issues with talent leaving their company to work in the big leagues, after all you can't expect an independent company that pays by appearance to deny their roster the chance to make a better life for themselves). While on the same subject, if WWE were to reach out for a long term working agreement with ROH, it would serve to give WWE a place for their talent who need a tuneup to go and learn a few things.
I don't think WWE have any interest in buying ROH, it would serve no purpose financially and apart from the video tape library and the chance to employ their talent (which they can do anyway) there isn't much anything else that company like WWE would look for (unless of course ROH were to become a direct competition).
If I had John Laurinaitis' or Triple H's job (as well as acting within the typical WWE way), from ROH I'd offer Claudio Castagnoli, Colt Cabana and Eddie Edwards contracts. I'd call Colt Cabana straight up to the main roster and have him work at the upper midcard until he has time to get used to the WWE style. Claudio and Eddie would go to FCW. I'd definitely offer Haas and Benjamin contracts, but whether they'd return after their last uneventful runs with the company, would be up to them. Chris Hero is another one I'd reach out to, however he doesn't seem to be that interested with the WWE way of wrestling and gimmicks.
I would assume that if WWE were to forge a short term working agreement it would be based around CM Punk and his current storyline. It would else serve as an opportunity for indie talents to get spotted by the WWE (ROH has no issues with talent leaving their company to work in the big leagues, after all you can't expect an independent company that pays by appearance to deny their roster the chance to make a better life for themselves). While on the same subject, if WWE were to reach out for a long term working agreement with ROH, it would serve to give WWE a place for their talent who need a tuneup to go and learn a few things.
I don't think WWE have any interest in buying ROH, it would serve no purpose financially and apart from the video tape library and the chance to employ their talent (which they can do anyway) there isn't much anything else that company like WWE would look for (unless of course ROH were to become a direct competition).
If I had John Laurinaitis' or Triple H's job (as well as acting within the typical WWE way), from ROH I'd offer Claudio Castagnoli, Colt Cabana and Eddie Edwards contracts. I'd call Colt Cabana straight up to the main roster and have him work at the upper midcard until he has time to get used to the WWE style. Claudio and Eddie would go to FCW. I'd definitely offer Haas and Benjamin contracts, but whether they'd return after their last uneventful runs with the company, would be up to them. Chris Hero is another one I'd reach out to, however he doesn't seem to be that interested with the WWE way of wrestling and gimmicks.
that would be fantastic and it would give other to see other types of wrestlers than whats on impact and wwe. It would be awesome to see both companies working together for wrestling. and maybe they can interpromotional ppv's as well. I am hoping ROH will be on HULU.
I'd just let him and Danielson go at it every week.
Didn't a repackaged Colt Cabana have a very brief failed WWE run or am I thinking of someone else?
^ I remember that!!! Haha. The Colt Cabana chants during MITB II were awesome. I'm pretty sure they'll make their way into a future Botchamania episode.
The ROH/WWE thing is an interesting thing. If Vince saw some kind of legit business benefit from a crossover storyline I could see him make some kind of deal that would allow for that. That would screw over TNA even more if that happened I think.
I agree Vince really sold his dismissal. The crowd even started marking out by chanting "Thank You Vince!" I had a big smile on my face for that whole entire episode. Next week is gonna be great!
The ROH/WWE thing is an interesting thing. If Vince saw some kind of legit business benefit from a crossover storyline I could see him make some kind of deal that would allow for that. That would screw over TNA even more if that happened I think.
I agree Vince really sold his dismissal. The crowd even started marking out by chanting "Thank You Vince!" I had a big smile on my face for that whole entire episode. Next week is gonna be great!
The plan is apparently to continue to get Punk mainstream exposure through talk shows, guest appearances and maybe even indie promotions. It looks like they may crown another WWE Champion leading to a unified/undisputed champion match (see Shawn Michaels vs Scott Hall Intercontinental Championship match at WM10).
For many years, Reggie Parks was the designer and builder of the WWE title belts. Apparently he's designed the silver WWE Championship belt that has been rumored to replace the "spinner" (although it no longer spins). If you ask me, if they took the "Undisputed Championship" belt design, made it silver or platinum and added some more detail to it, they'd have a great belt.
If they are to have a unification match, I'd suggest they dig out the UC belt design and use that until Punk returns. With the winner being presented with an all new belt. Punk needs to do something to deface the "spinner", such as putting his xXx logo on it (or even the NWO as Admiral Young suggested!). I also think it would be cool if Punk replaced the WWE centerpiece with the "Smoking Skull" (as to fuel his mini feud with Austin) or if WWE we really brave...Replace the centrepiece with the ROH logo and have Punk proclaim himself "the ROH independent World Champion".
For many years, Reggie Parks was the designer and builder of the WWE title belts. Apparently he's designed the silver WWE Championship belt that has been rumored to replace the "spinner" (although it no longer spins). If you ask me, if they took the "Undisputed Championship" belt design, made it silver or platinum and added some more detail to it, they'd have a great belt.
If they are to have a unification match, I'd suggest they dig out the UC belt design and use that until Punk returns. With the winner being presented with an all new belt. Punk needs to do something to deface the "spinner", such as putting his xXx logo on it (or even the NWO as Admiral Young suggested!). I also think it would be cool if Punk replaced the WWE centerpiece with the "Smoking Skull" (as to fuel his mini feud with Austin) or if WWE we really brave...Replace the centrepiece with the ROH logo and have Punk proclaim himself "the ROH independent World Champion".
I get credit for suggesting the Unification title match if it happens since I mentioned it first 
I don't really see the big deal about the spinner belt. It's funny since it was first introduced as Cena's custom belt (they discontinued the custom belts after that I think) but since he's won the damn thing and Vince considers it a prop no wonder it hasn't been scrapped.
I don't really see the big deal about the spinner belt. It's funny since it was first introduced as Cena's custom belt (they discontinued the custom belts after that I think) but since he's won the damn thing and Vince considers it a prop no wonder it hasn't been scrapped.
Any championship belt or trophy in any sports organisation (pro wrestling included) is a McGuffin. Its just a prop designed to represent something. In boxing and MMA it represents the best in the World within a particular weight class (beat the champ, you are the best). The belts became a symbol of that status, something valuable (a gold belt) in possession of the most valuable figure.
In pro wrestling, title belts are much more complicated. Originally the belts were brought in for similar reasons as boxing and MMA. However, since wrestling was widely known to be predetermined by the 1970's the prestige quickly became a moot point. By the 1980's champions in pro wrestling promotions were champions based on their popularity and the confidence that their promoters had in them to carry the events based on their ability as a professional wrestler (which includes look, mic skills, crowd interaction and not forgetting ring ability). The World title matches would be the main event, whilst the secondary titles would feature on the card, relative to their prestige (which was decided by the promoters themselves).
By the 1990's, being awarded a World Championship could mean many things. For some it was seen as part of a major push (Bret Hart,Shawn Michaels, Diesel and Steve Austin) for others it was in recognition of their popularity and renown (Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan) and with others it was based on their ability to wrestle high quality matches and work the crowd (although this was mainly a trait preferential in Puroresu promotions, but in the US, Vader is regarded as this type of champion).
Traditionally there are no real perks for being a World Champion. Most World Champions are already working for the best pay and perks for their level of renown and confidence that their company sees within them. As a World Champion works at the top of the card generally, they will see considerabley better income through PPV bonuses. In the WWE, Vince McMahon has long held the belief that his World Champions should travel first class (with the company paying for the upgrade or even footing the entire bill) to the extent that when Rey Mysterio was champion, an overbooking resulted in him having to sit in business class with an extra free chair next to him as the bigger guys in the roster were stuck in economy class with little free room!
Some wrestlers have clauses written into their contracts as incentives to re-sign, such as first class travel or accomodation at the companies expense. Ric Flair recieved such treatment as it was part of his gimmick and many of the veterans recieve special allowances as rewards for loyalty and years of hard work (IIRC Kane, Undertaker, Jerry Lawler, Mark Henry and Edge recieved these allowances).
In pro wrestling, title belts are much more complicated. Originally the belts were brought in for similar reasons as boxing and MMA. However, since wrestling was widely known to be predetermined by the 1970's the prestige quickly became a moot point. By the 1980's champions in pro wrestling promotions were champions based on their popularity and the confidence that their promoters had in them to carry the events based on their ability as a professional wrestler (which includes look, mic skills, crowd interaction and not forgetting ring ability). The World title matches would be the main event, whilst the secondary titles would feature on the card, relative to their prestige (which was decided by the promoters themselves).
By the 1990's, being awarded a World Championship could mean many things. For some it was seen as part of a major push (Bret Hart,Shawn Michaels, Diesel and Steve Austin) for others it was in recognition of their popularity and renown (Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan) and with others it was based on their ability to wrestle high quality matches and work the crowd (although this was mainly a trait preferential in Puroresu promotions, but in the US, Vader is regarded as this type of champion).
Traditionally there are no real perks for being a World Champion. Most World Champions are already working for the best pay and perks for their level of renown and confidence that their company sees within them. As a World Champion works at the top of the card generally, they will see considerabley better income through PPV bonuses. In the WWE, Vince McMahon has long held the belief that his World Champions should travel first class (with the company paying for the upgrade or even footing the entire bill) to the extent that when Rey Mysterio was champion, an overbooking resulted in him having to sit in business class with an extra free chair next to him as the bigger guys in the roster were stuck in economy class with little free room!
Some wrestlers have clauses written into their contracts as incentives to re-sign, such as first class travel or accomodation at the companies expense. Ric Flair recieved such treatment as it was part of his gimmick and many of the veterans recieve special allowances as rewards for loyalty and years of hard work (IIRC Kane, Undertaker, Jerry Lawler, Mark Henry and Edge recieved these allowances).
Yeah very good points. It's funny when fans get all "old school" about titles. They pretty much don't mean anything any more if they ever did in the past. They're mostly for the fans anyways and as you say Captain M symbolic trophies for the athletes that "win" them.
Its funny, I remember a few years back that Triple H (who was a heel at the time) would often cut promos about how the WWE Championship was "the most important thing in my life" and about how he'd do anything to regain it. However, it was never quite clear what he meant, was it the value of the belt? Or was it about being the best?
The WWE Championship back then was the "winged eagle" design which was, give or take around 10lbs of plated gold. Along with a 2kg leather belt and the craftmanship, you are talking around £15,000 ($28,000) tops for the belt. A mere fraction of the $100,000 that Triple H later offered whoever was able to take Goldberg out of action. So I think we can rule out the value of the belt.
I wish they'd make things like this clearer in promos. Rather than talking about the "ooh its gold and shiny" aspect of the belts, they should make it clear that the value is actually being considered the best and that the belt is a symbol of this achievement. However, pro wrestling promotions won't do this because its not legitimate competition and more often than not, "the best" (especially within WWE) are working alongside the champion.
The WWE Championship back then was the "winged eagle" design which was, give or take around 10lbs of plated gold. Along with a 2kg leather belt and the craftmanship, you are talking around £15,000 ($28,000) tops for the belt. A mere fraction of the $100,000 that Triple H later offered whoever was able to take Goldberg out of action. So I think we can rule out the value of the belt.
I wish they'd make things like this clearer in promos. Rather than talking about the "ooh its gold and shiny" aspect of the belts, they should make it clear that the value is actually being considered the best and that the belt is a symbol of this achievement. However, pro wrestling promotions won't do this because its not legitimate competition and more often than not, "the best" (especially within WWE) are working alongside the champion.
I always assumed he meant the personal value of the belt in terms of who had held it before him.
That's what I loved, loved, loved about Roddy Piper's fairly recent "Piper's Pit" about all the guys who had not won a world title in their careers. I think that nailed so perfectly what is sometimes not made clear by current champions in their promos.
That's what I loved, loved, loved about Roddy Piper's fairly recent "Piper's Pit" about all the guys who had not won a world title in their careers. I think that nailed so perfectly what is sometimes not made clear by current champions in their promos.
Agreed, that was a brilliant promo.
I was thinking about how much a champion is valued. Obviously the World Champion (or equivalent) is the top dog but then you have the tag teams titles and at least one secondary title in your average promotion. At one stage in the early 1990's, the Intercontinental Championship meant nearly as much as the WWF/E Championship. The lineage of the championship was acknowledged and it was competed for in very high profile matches. Furthermore, it was seen as a stepping stone and that 9/10 wearers of the belt would become main eventers (and usually WWF/E Champion).