Omega_Glory
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^^^^Yes.
WTF..? Just when did the alternate timeline start..??
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Easy. The Kelvin's universal translator recognized that Nero and his crew were speaking the same Romulan language that the Romulans spoke during the subspace radio negotiations after the Earth-Romulan War.
No need for an alternate alternate universe.
Easy. The Kelvin's universal translator recognized that Nero and his crew were speaking the same Romulan language that the Romulans spoke during the subspace radio negotiations after the Earth-Romulan War.
No need for an alternate alternate universe.
And if there were a universal translator at this point, then Uhura would not have been put on the bridge of Enterprise because she's the only one who speaks Romulan.
the universal translatror from what we have seen over the years just translates everything as it comes in.
pike wanted to just focus on the romulan transmissions so you would need someone who could automatically focus on them.
see the difference..
you know what i have been thinking.
they might have broken out a parallel universe in tos itself .
in assignment earth they get involved in a lot of stuff but oddly at the end spock
reports things happened just as history said they would happen.
just think if their involvement with gary seven actually created a parallel universe and that is why the weapons platform exploded in the same way at the same distance.
it would actually cover some of the canon issues in the third season especially about how real human telepaths were previously unknown in where no man but evidently were around in no truth in beauty.
pike wanted to just focus on the romulan transmissions so you would need someone who could automatically focus on them.
see the difference..
you know what i have been thinking.
they might have broken out a parallel universe in tos itself .
in assignment earth they get involved in a lot of stuff but oddly at the end spock
reports things happened just as history said they would happen.
just think if their involvement with gary seven actually created a parallel universe and that is why the weapons platform exploded in the same way at the same distance.
it would actually cover some of the canon issues in the third season especially about how real human telepaths were previously unknown in where no man but evidently were around in no truth in beauty.
Easy. The Kelvin's universal translator recognized that Nero and his crew were speaking the same Romulan language that the Romulans spoke during the subspace radio negotiations after the Earth-Romulan War.
No need for an alternate alternate universe.
And if there were a universal translator at this point, then Uhura would not have been put on the bridge of Enterprise because she's the only one who speaks Romulan.
ENT made it clear that there were universal translators as early as 2155.
And I still don't think there's a conflict. Clearly UTs would, like any technology, be in constant need of refinement - and clearly a system of UTs in 2258 that haven't been exposed to Romulan in 97 years, excepting a brief encounter in 2233, would require an actual person at the station to make sure things get right.
No.
Four officers, Not from the Enterprise, in "Court Martial":
yeah i dont think other ships got their own insigna until second season with doomsday machine.
I love it. Hell, it might explain UESPA becoming Starfleet command as well, depending on the timing all the way. Also, it will make the purists tear their hair out, which will then force them to purchase wigs to hide it, which will then help the economy. Quantum branching time travel all the way!
I think its funny how hostile Spock is to people with ESP in "WNMHGB".
I'm not gonna read the whole thread, but here's the answer: No, that was just JJ Abrams being a doofus again. He doesn't know canon, he doesn't understand canon, and he admits it freely.
Orci's explanation - that the Kelvin crew did not know Nero & Co. were Romulans, but that telemetry from the attack plus survivor testimony allowed Starfleet to piece together Romulan evolutionary history long before 2266 (when the Prime 'verse figured it out) - holds much more water, and has the advantage of coming from a producer who knows what he's talking about.
Sci's explanation is also extremely clever.
Those who are telling you that the pre-Nero Kelvin was in an "alternate alternate universe" are partisans who'd rather get as far away from Prime canon as possible anyway, as they will themselves admit.
No, I think it's just an easier explanation.
very true..
the dress uniforms had medals and commendations.
only the starbases had different insigna first season.
and i dont buy that the kelvin was that different.
heck we have even seen an image of a ring ship on a wall.
he didnt want to reveal the range of his jedi ability yet..
No, it helps one to discuss the actual merits of the story.
A movie contradicting a different movie or TV series is not a continuity glitch. The movie saying one thing and contradicting itself later is a continuity glitch.
I'm interested in the story. You're more interested in other things. Which one of us is "disinterested?"
There's an idea. Discussing the actual movie. Let me know when you want to do that.
That's how you deal with people you don't agree with? You want them to just go away so your left with like-minded people? Sorry, but I ain't going anywhere. You're free to ignore me and only talk to people you know will validate your opinion again and again, or you can try and debate your position.
Who said anything about wanting you to disappear?
You can do what you want. And I'm free to tell you my opinion. In my opinion people who obsess over the continuity are missing the point of what Star Trek is all about. It reduces Star Trek to the level Marvel Universe comic books. Star Trek should be more than that.
I'd be be telling you my opinion. I think I'll tell you again. Obsession with making the fictional universe of this reboot fit with the fictional universes of several movies and TV shows going back the last forty years is silly. Not just fans pointing out contradictions, but fans who lose sleep over it. There are fans who have some psychological need to make it all fit in their own heads. I'm one of the biggest long-time Star Trek fans you'll ever find -- been watching since before any bloody TNG, DS9, VOY, or ENT -- but I've never understood this.
I know. Imagine, me chiming in with my own viewpoint. THe nerve of me.
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As a longtime fan of all Trek incarnations, who has seen all 736 episodes and films, I have picked up numerous inconsistencies and continuity violations. Does anyone else remember the Enterprise-D firing "phasers" from the photon torpedo tube in "Darmok"?
But, I like to consider the entire series as one consistent universe, even though I know hundreds of different writers have just been making it up as they went along for 40 years.
It is my duty, my obligation as a fan, not only to point out continuity errors, but to come up with an explanation to excuse them.
If I don't come up with a logical explanation for an error, I'm just a nitpicker, not a fan.
(Time travel paradoxes don't bother me. But that "Darmok" thing was just a stupid visual effects error. If Abrams had pulled something like that, I'd be leading the mob with torches and pitchforks. There's no excuse for those kinds of blunders.)
But, I like to consider the entire series as one consistent universe, even though I know hundreds of different writers have just been making it up as they went along for 40 years.
It is my duty, my obligation as a fan, not only to point out continuity errors, but to come up with an explanation to excuse them.
If I don't come up with a logical explanation for an error, I'm just a nitpicker, not a fan.
(Time travel paradoxes don't bother me. But that "Darmok" thing was just a stupid visual effects error. If Abrams had pulled something like that, I'd be leading the mob with torches and pitchforks. There's no excuse for those kinds of blunders.)
Heh - you managed to pick my number one example for boneheaded errors in Trek.
