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Wrath of Khan- only 1 trailer?

Grant

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Is it really possible that Star Trek II only had the one trailer that is widely available on youtube and the DVDs?

I can't imagine there was only one. The TMP director's cut DVD had multiple trailers and tv spots...

Would Khan only have had one?

Anybody know? And of course, a link, if you know where it could be seen.

Thanks!
 
Well, there's at least two TV Spots available on Youtube.

There's also the trailer that was shown at Media ShoWest.

I'm sure there are multiple others. They may not be online or on home video, though.
 
Also remember that ST II was Paramount taking a chance on a less expensive Trek that paid off big-time. Harve was brought in to make a Trek movie on a TV budget. This gamble created the modern Trek franchise.
 
Paramount wanted to spend less money on the film's production budget -- and they did -- but the film did rather well at the box office. That's doesn't seem indicative of a push-back in marketing.
 
Thanks for the link to those tv spots. Nice. they should have been on DVD.

And yeah, I seriously doubt they saved money by having only 1 trailer.
 
Is it really possible that Star Trek II only had the one trailer that is widely available on youtube and the DVDs?

I can't imagine there was only one.

The division that creates trailers is a totally separate division to the one that produces movies. Directors and producers usually have no input into how their movies will be promoted. Harve Bennett was upset that the destruction of the Enterprise was revealed in the ST III trailer.

The concept of films having both teaser trailers and regular trailers was starting to become more popular in the 80s. I actually have a Super 8 reel of science fiction film trailers. It has the most common TMP one, the ST II one, but the ST III one seems to be a teaser trailer. Not the more familiar one I saw in cinemas (and is on the DVD).

According to a friend in the Australian movie industry, it used to be fairly common practice to destroy all copies of trailers once the film had been released, so if a single copy of a movie trailer survives in a movie company's archives it's more dumb luck than good management.
 
They could only produce 1 trailer. Buzz in fandom was that Spock was going to die and none of us wanted to see that happen. Remember in those days there was no internet so none of us could protest this move.

But word spread at conventions, comic book stores and over the phone to the point that Paramount began denying the Spock will die rumor. But as usual the Trek fan base is alive and active and word spread that Paramount was lying (I believe this to be the beginning of most Trek fans hating Paramount). Paramount again reitorated that Spock will not die, but by that time nobody believed them.

That had to make that trailer as vague as possible because they were at risk of ticking off the entire fan base. If Spock was going to die...well, none of us wanted to see that! They needed us to come. They needed to re-invigorate the property.

THANK GOD, Nick Meyer made that movie. In the hands of a less capable director we would not be having this conversation. His death was handled so well and so respectfully that we all accepted it. That and...Paramount let it slip that there will be a next movie and Spock will be once again alive.
 
They could only produce 1 trailer. Buzz in fandom was that Spock was going to die and none of us wanted to see that happen. Remember in those days there was no internet so none of us could protest this move.

You seem to remember this differently. Fans did indeed "protest this move": with a trade ad in the showbiz paper, "Variety", claiming that Paramount would lose millions in film receipts and tie-in merchandise. That ad got coverage in the "Wall Street Journal" and "Starlog".

Paramount began denying the Spock will die rumor.
But did they? No, they just put out vague comments, the same kind of vague comments every ST film has put out before a film premieres. Show me one claim by Paramount that Spock would not die.

What Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett did, though, was retool the script with a red herring - so that Spock (and McCoy, Sulu and Uhura) appear to die - and then Kirk steps out to joke with Spock about his "death". Originally, Spock was slated actually to die midway through the movie, rather like the way Yar was killed off in TNG.

But as usual the Trek fan base is alive and active and word spread that Paramount was lying
No, that's not how it unfolded. Susan Sackett, acting on instruction by Gene Roddenberry, who'd had his control over ST stripped away, made an announcement that Spock would die in ST II at a major London "Star Trek" convention. Paramount attempted to deflect, but only to preserve their script surprises.

(I believe this to be the beginning of most Trek fans hating Paramount).
Huh? Since when do "most Trek fans" hate Paramount?

Long before ST II, Lincoln Enterprises were selling jokey bumper stickers about Paramount executives being Klingons, but that dates back to the fan-made stickers that were distributed when Bjo Trimble was conducting the "Save Star Trek" campaign that saved the show at the end of Season Two of TOS. If anything, that campaign was aimed at NBC as much as Paramount (which had recently bought out Desilu).

Paramount again reitorated that Spock will not die...
No, they didn't.

but by that time nobody believed them.
Rumor control is a normal function of filmmaking.

That had to make that trailer as vague as possible because they were at risk of ticking off the entire fan base.
The "entire fan base" you mention is/was less than ten percent of the viewing audience. And the "Save Spock" Campaign's calculations were way off. There was not a massive black ban by fans of the movie and its tie-ins.

If Spock was going to die...well, none of us wanted to see that!
None of who? The Bring Back Spock Campaigners, perhaps. The rest of us, and general movie audiences, were keen to see a good movie and respectful of Nimoy's desire to distance himself from the Spock role.

They needed us to come. They needed to re-invigorate the property.
No, they didn't. TMP had already proven it could make a huge profit. It's main problem was that it had cost so much money to make that profit. ST II was intended to ensure that ST movies could be cost effective.

That and...Paramount let it slip that there will be a next movie and Spock will be once again alive.
Not until Nimoy attended the wrap party of ST II and suggested to Paramount that he'd consider returning... if he could also direct.

The original jokey title, "In Search of Spock", was coined by the media spin, in a parody of Nimoy's "In Search of..." TV documentary series, and the actual script treatment was called "Return to Genesis" and did not necessarily require Nimoy to return Spock as a regular cast member. In fact, even the final script did not require Nimoy himself to play Spock.
 
The TWOK trailer sure was disappointing when I saw it on DVD years ago, it tells you almost nothing about the movie and it's pretty poorly edited. However, I remember being jazzed as a teen-ager. They focused on the space battle aspect I presume to differentiate it from TMP. I remember sitting in Grand Central Station waiting for my dad and some of the TV monitors were running movie previews, both TWOK and 48 Hours were run. What a great summer this promised to be.

However, when TWOK was released, I was punished for something and I wasn't allowed to go to the movies that summer (ARRGGHHH!). So a friend saw the film before and told me Spock died. I was fine with it because I heard about it before. Then he told me Khan died too and I didn't believe him! I don't remember why, but I vaguely remember thinking he was "too important" having ties back to the TV series. Yet I was fine with Spock's death. What can I say? I was a pretty dim 14 year old.

Finally, though, since my mom was a huge Trek fan (you're welcome, mom), she didn't want to miss seeing the film so I finally got to see it at the end of the summer in the discount, 77 cent theater. I had read and re-read the novelization a dozen times beforehand ("Oh my God, they really did kill Khan!") and I was so bummed that a great deal of story in the book was not in the movie. That was my first brush with "expanding the novelization" aspect of novel tie-ins. Once the movie ended, even though I had nothing to back up the supposition, the first thing I said on the way out was "I can’t wait to see how they bring Spock back!" It was that view of the torpedo that did it (thank you Harve Bennett). Once I saw that, I was convinced Spock would be revived in the next film. Also, being a fan of comics and TV sci-fi, I just assumed SF death was reversible, even after a burial.
 
Once the movie ended, even though I had nothing to back up the supposition, the first thing I said on the way out was "I can’t wait to see how they bring Spock back!"

One of the big rumours in the days/weeks after ST II was that Spock's essence would somehow be passed onto Saavik. And Kirstie Alley's acceptance by many fans seemed to back that up. Not too much was made of the McCoy "Remember..." mind meld.

Once Director Nimoy switched Saaviks, it seemed more likely they were heading in a different direction.
 
Once the movie ended, even though I had nothing to back up the supposition, the first thing I said on the way out was "I can’t wait to see how they bring Spock back!"

One of the big rumours in the days/weeks after ST II was that Spock's essence would somehow be passed onto Saavik. And Kirstie Alley's acceptance by many fans seemed to back that up. Not too much was made of the McCoy "Remember..." mind meld.

Once Director Nimoy switched Saaviks, it seemed more likely they were heading in a different direction.

That would certainly make slash fiction a little more...interesting.

Spock/Saavik: Kirk, I want to feel you, feel you deep inside me.
Kirk: Yeah, me too, wait...which one of you is asking?
 
So if there had been another trailer, what scenes from the finished film would you have liked to see in it?
 
So if there had been another trailer, what scenes from the finished film would you have liked to see in it?

Paramount Mountain
"In the 23rd Century"
Chekov screaming
Terrell vaporizing Jedda
Uhura's console exploding in the simulator
Kirk "who? Who hit us and why?"
McCoys dying in the simulator
Saavik "Mr. Sulu, get ous out of here" in the simulator
Sulu "I'll try Captain" in the simulator
Genesis exploding
Scotty holding his nephew
Carol "Jim!"
McCoy "Jim!"
Spock "Jim."
Kirk looking shocked at the screen
KKKKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!
Kahn on screen "So still you remember, my old friend."
Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, Summer 1982
 
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