Picard is a sequel to Star Trek: Nemesis, so definitely 'prime' timeline.
Would you say Picard is prime timeline or part of the Discoverse?
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How about spin-off?
I think of it more as an epilogue to TNG/TNG movies
Of course, it's a sequel.
Frankly, that's its biggest problem.
Frankly, that's its biggest problem.
Strongly disagree with that assessment. PIC is its own show, with its own foundational creative conceits, telling a completely different kind of story.
Those 'foundational conceits' are all rooted in the previous series and films. If you remove the self-referential context, Picard falls apart as a narrative.
When I was talking about foundational conceits, I wasn't talking about plot elements. I was talking about things like tone, pacing, thematic content, filmatic language (cinematography, lighting, blocking), editing (linear vs. nonlinear presentation), and dramatic focus (characters or plot). PIC establishes in its very very first episode that it is a show with a slower pace, melancholic tone, tendency to use a more cinematic film language instead of pre-Sopranos TV standard cinematography and lighting, a lightly nonlinear narrative, and a major focus on character over plot.
But it can be all those things and still be a sequel.
Each of the three films in the Genesis trilogy, for example, is very different in all the criteria you listed; yet SFS and TVH are very much sequels of WOK. Similarly, I would argue that, despite the numbers, they are all not sequels of TMP.
Each of the three films in the Genesis trilogy, for example, is very different in all the criteria you listed; yet SFS and TVH are very much sequels of WOK. Similarly, I would argue that, despite the numbers, they are all not sequels of TMP.
Well they stated both shows are prime so yeah there is no disco universe unless they decide to say it was branched off due to the red angel.
Story-wise, I would absolutely agree.
Very few of the James Bond movies have actually been sequels to any of the previous movies.
Indeed. One that certainly is a sequel is Quantum of Solace. From Russia with Love also qualifies, I believe.
Sure! I didn't object to PIC being called a sequel. I disagreed with it being considered an epilogue to TNG; the former is a distinct work of art that follows up on another work of art, while the latter relegates it to having no independent identity of its own, as just being an ancillary part of another work.
I meant it as in, it being a small "how it ends" 10-part piece compared to the huge 178-episode, 4-movie body of work that is TNG. While the show does have it's own identity with the other characters, a lot of it like the main character's motivations and angst, hangs off of the past.
I get what you're saying, but I just don't think PIC is an epilogue of TNG. I think it is its own separate story with its own identity. Yeah, a lot of the characters' motivations hang off of the past -- but the driving events of the past were events PIC introduced in the form of the Romulan refugee crisis and the Mars Attack. Picard himself isn't motivated by the events of TNG, he's motivated by his shame over things that happened after NEM and by his desire to protect Soji after watching Dahj die. Things from TNG do affect him -- he's partially attached to the Asa twins because they're de facto Data's daughters, he still suffers from PTSD as a result of the Borg assimilation -- but these things aren't what drive him to action in PIC per se.
I used to view Star Trek as where the main story was about the Enterprise. TOS was the Original, TNG was the Sequel, ENT was the Prequel, and then DS9, VOY, and DSC were all spin-offs based on the Star Trek Universe.
So, if you treat the main story of Star Trek as being on the Enterprise, then Picard is a Star Trek Spin-Off. But, if you look at TNG in and of itself, and Picard is the lead character, then Picard is a sequel to that character's life and a sequel to what was started in TNG.
So, I think Picard is both: a Star Trek Spin-Off and a TNG Sequel at the same time. In the case of it being a TNG Sequel, it's like going from Alien to Aliens. You still have Ripley, but she's with another crew and she's carried her experiences from the previous installment with her.
So, if you treat the main story of Star Trek as being on the Enterprise, then Picard is a Star Trek Spin-Off. But, if you look at TNG in and of itself, and Picard is the lead character, then Picard is a sequel to that character's life and a sequel to what was started in TNG.
So, I think Picard is both: a Star Trek Spin-Off and a TNG Sequel at the same time. In the case of it being a TNG Sequel, it's like going from Alien to Aliens. You still have Ripley, but she's with another crew and she's carried her experiences from the previous installment with her.
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I realize that over-analyze things is what Star Trek fans do, but all this talk about sequel, continuation, TNG part 2...
Star Trek Picard is a spin-off of Star Trek the Next Generation, which itself was a spin-off of Star Trek the original series. It's something that just happens to involve some characters that we're familiar with from previous shows. It's not meant to be a continuation or sequel to anything else. Think of the show Lou Grant. They brought back a beloved character in an entirely new setting and circumstances years after we saw him last. It was in no way meant to be a continuation or sequel to The Mary Tyler Moore show which it spun-off from, but the character was still Lou Grant. Just older and wiser. It was different in tone, feeling and content from its source. It was its own thing. See also, M*A*S*H and Trapper John MD. Battlestar Galactica and Caprica.
Star Trek Picard is a spin-off of Star Trek the Next Generation, which itself was a spin-off of Star Trek the original series. It's something that just happens to involve some characters that we're familiar with from previous shows. It's not meant to be a continuation or sequel to anything else. Think of the show Lou Grant. They brought back a beloved character in an entirely new setting and circumstances years after we saw him last. It was in no way meant to be a continuation or sequel to The Mary Tyler Moore show which it spun-off from, but the character was still Lou Grant. Just older and wiser. It was different in tone, feeling and content from its source. It was its own thing. See also, M*A*S*H and Trapper John MD. Battlestar Galactica and Caprica.
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