Would you say Picard is prime timeline or part of the Discoverse?

[CorporalCaptain]

The Klingon makeup design has changed three times in ST history. It changed in TMP, where they went from racist Fu Manchu caricatures to guys with narrow, boney ridges down the center of their foreheads. It changed again in TSFS, when they suddenly had all sorts of bumps all over their foreheads. Worf's makeup design changed throughout TNG -- his bumps were totally different in "Encounter at Farpoint" vs "All Good Things," and the "All Good Things" flashback scenes kept the S7-era makeup!

The Klingon makeup also varied throughout TOS. Neither Kras ("Friday's Child") nor any of the Klingons in "The Trouble with Tribbles" had darkened skin or bushy eyebrows. They appeared completely human, in fact, with the exception of costume.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kras
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Koloth
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Korax

Kor, Krell, Kang, and the captain in "Elaan of Troyius" are noticeably different from the above Klingons.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kor
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Krell_(23rd_century)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kang
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Klingon_military_personnel_(23rd_century)#Captain_001

 

[NCC-73515]

I wish we would get an answer to that question but I think that's a futile effort.

Cause there's a difference between minor changes in detail and a major redesign
Guess you wouldn't mind Vulcans having 3 long points on their blue ears, cause in-universe they'd still look Vulcan then

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Cause there's a difference between minor changes in detail and a major redesign

Going from alien makeup to human appearance isn't a "minor change."

 

[NCC-73515]

Going from alien makeup to human appearance isn't a "minor change."

where did they do that

 

[Lt.Smokey]

So, I still haven't seen Discovery, myself. I mean, ultimately, you're free to imagine this stuff anyway you choose, but my understanding is both are prime. But if some people want to pretend it doesn't exist, that's okay. They needn't announce it to the whole world at every opportunity, either, though.

 

[Sci]

Cause there's a difference between minor changes in detail and a major redesign

The Klingons already had at least two major redesigns before DIS: From racist Fu Manchu/Yellow Peril stereotypes in TOS, to having a single boney ridge down the center of their foreheads (combined with some blackface skin tone for the white actors playing them), to having bumps all across their foreheads (with varying degrees of semi-blackface skin tones applied to the white actors playing them).

And again, other species have had just as major of makeup redesigns without people making a fuss, including Andorians, Tellarites, and Trill. Why do you hold DIS to a double standard?

Also: Do you really want 2010s/2020s Star Trek using makeup designs that are borderline blackface like they did intermittently in the TOS movies and TNG?

where did they do that

This was already answered:

The Klingon makeup also varied throughout TOS. Neither Kras ("Friday's Child") nor any of the Klingons in "The Trouble with Tribbles" had darkened skin or bushy eyebrows. They appeared completely human, in fact, with the exception of costume.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kras
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Koloth
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Korax

Kor, Krell, Kang, and the captain in "Elaan of Troyius" are noticeably different from the above Klingons.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kor
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Krell_(23rd_century)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kang
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Klingon_military_personnel_(23rd_century)#Captain_001

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

I don't even like DSC all that much... don't hate it either. But this TL stuff is just ridiculous.

There are three distinct universes in Star Trek:

1. The Prime universe.
2. The Kelvin universe.
3. The Brian Brophy universe.

And PIC definitely ain’t in universe #3.

Weeelll, that's debatable! Wasn't there this post-structuralist or whatever philosopher who claimed that the real text is in the spaces in between, or something... And wasn't BriBro all over PIC simply by being not there, especially for us?

 

[XCV330]

Like a lot of people,

You can think whatever you like. CBS considers it prime timeline, and there's no evidence to the contrary. This conversation will never go away so I'll give it the loving care it deserves.

 

[Lord Garth]

You can think whatever you like. CBS considers it prime timeline, and there's no evidence to the contrary. This conversation will never go away so I'll give it the loving care it deserves.

"Folks, believe me, I don't know what Real Star Trek is but Real Star Trek is the best Star Trek you've ever seen. No one makes better Star Trek than the people who make Real Star Trek. That I can tell you. But no money in the future?! Give me a break! And bumps on foreheads? What is that?! Can you imagine looking at that on your TV every week? But that's okay. I like Star Trek. Real Star Trek, folks. See all those beautiful women Captain Kirk kissed? 10s, all of them. And I love the Ferengi! Any Ferengi fans out there?! I love the Ferengi. Let me tell you any Star Trek that treats the Ferengi poorly is Fake Star Trek! It's Fake Star Trek, people."

 

[NCC-73515]

The Klingons already had at least two major redesigns before DIS: From racist Fu Manchu/Yellow Peril stereotypes in TOS, to having a single boney ridge down the center of their foreheads (combined with some blackface skin tone for the white actors playing them), to having bumps all across their foreheads (with varying degrees of semi-blackface skin tones applied to the white actors playing them).

again, sequels

And again, other species have had just as major of makeup redesigns without people making a fuss, including Andorians, Tellarites, and Trill. Why do you hold DIS to a double standard?

again, minor changes vs. major redesign

Also: Do you really want 2010s/2020s Star Trek using makeup designs that are borderline blackface like they did intermittently in the TOS movies and TNG?

watch affliction&divergence (ent)

This was already answered:

eyebrows are a minor change, not a major redesign

 

[DarthTimon]

DSC and PIC are in the Prime timeline. Easy.

 

[F. King Daniel]

 

[FederationHistorian]

PIC is the prime timeline…

And even DSC can be prime timeline too. The Klingon redesign in DSC makes sense if you consider the time between ENT and DSC as a kind of Klingon Medieval period in space. And that's all obviously over with by the time of TOS.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Which timeline makes the better tacos?

We'll find out Tuesday

 

[F. King Daniel]

If the X-Men movies are in continuity, the Trek shows and movies can be too. Recast a character, changing their age, height and ethnicity, change a spaceship design, costume, way a superpower or piece of technology works, or alien makeup... it's continuity, but a LOT looser than some fans (including myself until awhile ago) expect. Picard directly references Discovery in commbadge design, Pike's Disco-Enterprise cameo as a hologram etc but directly references all of Next Gen and First Contact too.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Like a lot of people, I believe DIS is in an alternate universe where Spock had a human sister and the Klingons all mutated into horrifying monstrosities. Personally as long as the Klingorcs don’t show up, I believe PIC is infact in the Prime timeline, but I wanna know what you’re opinion is.

My opinion is, your opinion is wrong on every single level.

 

[FreddyE]

this is a none issue. its been specified that both shows are in the prime timeline by word of god multiple times

 

[Phily B]

Like a lot of people, I believe DIS is in an alternate universe where Spock had a human sister and the Klingons all mutated into horrifying monstrosities.

I think people like you lack a real self awareness when talking about anything.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

eyebrows are a minor change, not a major redesign

Now you're misrepresenting what was said. It was never only eyebrows.

 

[Hythlodeus]

to answer the thread title: yes.
yes, I consider Picard to be part of the Prime Timeline or Discoverse. However you want to call the universe Star Trek is set in, Picard is part of it.