Hell no. Trek is now where I want it to be.
would you rather have had one last GOOD TNG movie?
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I would not have been interested at all. JJ Abrams' approach was probably the only one that could rekindle my love for Star Trek. I'm less and less interested in the TNG universe with every passing year.
Nor do I. This new popularity makes me very happy, and the fact alone that it's Abram's version of Trek makes me happy, because I've been a fan of his for some time now.
This is a win-win scenario for me.
This is a win-win scenario for me.
No frakkin way. TNG had their chance. In my opinion First Contact was the only good TNG movie. All the other ones felt like two parters or extended episodes. Abrams has given trek what it needs - movie budget, movie feel and real satisfaction leaving the cinema.
I love Star Trek the way I love my favourite sports team. I'll follow them always, whether they're good or bad, but when they're good it's awesome and when they're good at something that everyone likes to watch it's infectious. My wife nearly shot me after I brought her to see Nemisis and used to avoid watching any ST series when she was younger but she loved the movie and that can only be good.
There's a lot of talk about the fans feeling that Trek belongs to them which I think is Cock. I've been waiting years for my wife to enjoy Star Trek with me and she finally has. That said she got different things from it than I did. A lot of the in jokes went over her head and the plot had her a little confused (Probably why she never watched ST before) Ihave yet to meet someone who didn't enjoy the movie, fan or not.
I think the 'alternate reality' angle is clever, if a little self indulgent. We've seen it so many times before in sci-fi but to actually change the timeline and not have it 'saved' or 'restored' or have the magical 'everythings back to normal and no one can remember that it was different except the audience' bullshit is quite brave IMHO.
This movie is TREK through and through. Having watched it, it feels like my team has finally done it, they've won the Grand Slam.
I love Star Trek the way I love my favourite sports team. I'll follow them always, whether they're good or bad, but when they're good it's awesome and when they're good at something that everyone likes to watch it's infectious. My wife nearly shot me after I brought her to see Nemisis and used to avoid watching any ST series when she was younger but she loved the movie and that can only be good.
There's a lot of talk about the fans feeling that Trek belongs to them which I think is Cock. I've been waiting years for my wife to enjoy Star Trek with me and she finally has. That said she got different things from it than I did. A lot of the in jokes went over her head and the plot had her a little confused (Probably why she never watched ST before) Ihave yet to meet someone who didn't enjoy the movie, fan or not.
I think the 'alternate reality' angle is clever, if a little self indulgent. We've seen it so many times before in sci-fi but to actually change the timeline and not have it 'saved' or 'restored' or have the magical 'everythings back to normal and no one can remember that it was different except the audience' bullshit is quite brave IMHO.
This movie is TREK through and through. Having watched it, it feels like my team has finally done it, they've won the Grand Slam.
YES!
I think the writers of DS9 and VOY missed a trick here, let me explain.
DS9
The Dominion War story line was great, it showed trek in a darker style and showed the characters in a more realistic tone. The trick missed here was a movie to end the war, not to finish it in the series.....imagine how better the end could have been, not the weak ending we had with the founders giving up and surrendering, why couldnt a movie version have destroyed all founders, vortars, jem'hadar.
VOY
The same goes for this, why couldnt voyager have made it back with more of a celebration? they get home via a borg sphere, met with the fleet with only a 10 second chat with admiral paris....i dont get that.
people like brannon braga, although done a good job with most of the DS9 series, really hit a writers block with the finale of both series.
Lets see a movie that progresses with star trek, not looking back at what might have been.
A movie with a new threat from a new enemy and a crew that consists of TNG, DS9 and VOY characters, thats what I want
DS9
The Dominion War story line was great, it showed trek in a darker style and showed the characters in a more realistic tone. The trick missed here was a movie to end the war, not to finish it in the series.....imagine how better the end could have been, not the weak ending we had with the founders giving up and surrendering, why couldnt a movie version have destroyed all founders, vortars, jem'hadar.
VOY
The same goes for this, why couldnt voyager have made it back with more of a celebration? they get home via a borg sphere, met with the fleet with only a 10 second chat with admiral paris....i dont get that.
people like brannon braga, although done a good job with most of the DS9 series, really hit a writers block with the finale of both series.
Lets see a movie that progresses with star trek, not looking back at what might have been.
A movie with a new threat from a new enemy and a crew that consists of TNG, DS9 and VOY characters, thats what I want
No, the franchise was in desperate need of a reboot. I'm glad they did it.
As much as I like TNG, I don't think they could pull one off, and their conscious effort to do so would almost certainly make things worse.
I love Picard, Data, Worf, and the gang and I think they deserved a better send off. But I know the last two TNG films hardly set the world on fire and didn't leave people asking for more. The new movie was a lot of fun and I'd rather embrace the new cast than chase a ghost. So it goes.
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Personally, I would love a movie this good about the TNG cast as well.
Realistically, however, that wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have attracted all those new fans, which Star Trek desperately needs. Also, I doubt it would be as good; those actors are used to their character's stuffy roles. So the movie would be stuffy, not exciting, anyway.
Realistically, however, that wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have attracted all those new fans, which Star Trek desperately needs. Also, I doubt it would be as good; those actors are used to their character's stuffy roles. So the movie would be stuffy, not exciting, anyway.
NO.
TNG wasn't all that interesting when it was on TV. Rewatching the reruns show just how bad it was. Almost all of the movies stunk (except FC). The TNG crew ruined the ending of Enterprise. Countdown comics were an unnecessary and massive ridiculous fanwank to TNG. Enough.
They're dead Jim.
TNG wasn't all that interesting when it was on TV. Rewatching the reruns show just how bad it was. Almost all of the movies stunk (except FC). The TNG crew ruined the ending of Enterprise. Countdown comics were an unnecessary and massive ridiculous fanwank to TNG. Enough.
They're dead Jim.
This is a difficult one. Before this movie FC was the highest grosser so there was definately a market for TNG movies. Really INS was their undoing. With Nemesis the studio had already started to panic, trying tricks like getting in a director and script writer from outside the franchise, which ultimately was one of the reasons the movie sank. Had INS been a rip-roaring movie that topped FC I think we could quite possibly have still been watching TNG movies.
But, as it is, those two last movies wore out TNG and so I think the remaining options were always going to be either reboot, TOS in the old universe but recast or a new crew. Now that I have seen the movie, I would have preferred one of the latter two to what we ultimately got and despite my rather long list of complaints about it, I suppose its better to have an unsatisfactory (to some) Abrams Trek than no Trek at all.
But, as it is, those two last movies wore out TNG and so I think the remaining options were always going to be either reboot, TOS in the old universe but recast or a new crew. Now that I have seen the movie, I would have preferred one of the latter two to what we ultimately got and despite my rather long list of complaints about it, I suppose its better to have an unsatisfactory (to some) Abrams Trek than no Trek at all.
They got the send off they (Stewart & Spiner) wanted (wrote/contributed to).
It's too bad they didn't have any concern over servicing the other characters, or the audience.
It's too bad they didn't have any concern over servicing the other characters, or the audience.
Until I saw this one, I would have preferred a TNG movie over a reboot. I grew up on that show and always preferred it to the other series by far.
But TNG was on its last legs and as others have said, the franchise its in current incarnation with the people they had running the ship were 'creatively bankrupt.'
It needed a break and some new blood, and I thought the new flick came through in a big way.
But TNG was on its last legs and as others have said, the franchise its in current incarnation with the people they had running the ship were 'creatively bankrupt.'
It needed a break and some new blood, and I thought the new flick came through in a big way.
Nero's reaction was completely different from Annorax, the Krenim captain in Year of Hell. Nero's reaction is a mindless revenge trip. A one dimentional baddy. While Annorax is an obsessive but logical attempt to restore the timeline. Annorax is a much more complex and multi-dimentional character than Nero which is a standard baddy (the Star Trek 2009 story is more about the meeting and creation of the TOS crew).
I don't understand Nero's beef with Spock anyway? He just tried to save Romulus, but unfortunately arrived too late. Did Spock stopped at a drive-in for a burger or something? Maybe he should just have stayed home that day.
I'd like to see SOMETHING set in the 24th/25th century but I think the actors and writers behind TNG had run out of steam by Nemesis.
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