They’re the real deal ok, but they’re also 30+ years old. They mean the world to we nerds, but there’s only so much they’ll invest in such a back catalogue. Sadly.
Poll Would you purchase a legit remaster of DS9?
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They’re the real deal ok, but they’re also 30+ years old. They mean the world to we nerds, but there’s only so much they’ll invest in such a back catalogue. Sadly.
It's like saying no one cared about Kirk and Spock because the Trek IP was 30+ years old.
Or no one cares about Marvel.
Yet, TOS merchandise still sells.
I'll still argue that the DS9 documentary, and the subsequent Voyager documentary both prove the fan following for those shows is a lot bigger than people on this forum are ever going to admit.
Crowdfunded content is never as good as those docs were.
I agree, but the point is you can sell anything to people to some extent.
But that takes a James Gunn type of guy to do I think.
You could make Odo more familiar, but you'd need to have James Gunn running Trek (I know that's never gonna happen, lmao.)
Please keep that creatively bankrupt hack away from Trek. It's in bad shape enough as it is.
As for the marketability of a remastered DS9 set, the issue is that despite its popularity with fans now, DS9 was the "black sheep" of the Trek franchise during its second Golden Age. It has tremendous critical acclaim from non-fans but it's not nearly as well known as TOS and even TNG. Both of those series seem to work better for streaming than DS9. There is a debate over "how to binge" DS9, with some feeling many episodes should be skipped each season. The reality is that every episode of DS9 included a degree of character advancement for not just its main cast but also the many supporting characters that populated the series.
Over twenty episodes a season is beyond the attention span of most folks who binge a series, to say nothing of how thoughtful DS9 often was. There are a lot of episodes in the first two seasons that are quiet, character-driven episodes that just don't appeal to many younger viewers. Skydance/Paramount/CBS likely sees the amount of time and money required to remaster DS9 and calculates that they'd lose money. Sadly, I think they're right. DS9 may very well end up like the "Despecialized" versions of the original Star Wars trilogy, upgraded and preserved not by the studios but by fans.
I agree with what you're saying, but again, much like TOS viewers I don't care about new crowds.
But IMO, it's about presentation, that's my main issue.
If I were to sell it to new crowds, I'd say give it a chance.
As for DS9 being a black sheep, it's not the black sheep anymore...ENT, Nemesis and Discovery took up those mantles.
I'll disagree that 20 episode seasons still work.
There's a lot of women that binge Grey's anatomy, and there's a lot of men that Binge House.
Also, Odo may not have pop culture appeal...but Worf does, and a good chunk of Worf's arc is on DS9.
Also, James Gunn isn't creatively bankrupt, I enjoy the hell out of James Gunn and Troma.
Suicide Squad and Superman were more fun than the depression in movies I've seen in a movie theater in 10 years.
No arguments from economics or legacy are really relevant anymore. If anyone follow what David Zappone has said about the collaboration with Paramount on To the Journey, you would know that Paramount no longer has the ability on its own to do the full work of remastering any more series, not just Star Trek. It is simply not the business it wants to do. It wants to go the lower effort route, developing new products for streaming that prioritize action set pieces. Perhaps an independent studio would be interested in purchasing the rights to remaster the remaining series, but I don't think that Paramount would make it easy for them.
Even if I had bought the DVD's, hells yeah. I replaced DVD's for Stargates SG1 & Atlantis and Farscape with blu-rays.
Should take pictures in 4k!
I don't deny that twenty or more episodes can work, but DS9 is a very different series than any other. It had a small (but fervent) audience in its original run for this reason. I know this from experience, as I was a member of that audience. It is my favorite Trek series after TOS. The fact remains, however, that it does not reach the same amount of people or type of people that are targeted by studios today.
As for James Gunn, I loathed his Superman movie because I am die-hard, life-long Superman fan. I've read his comic book adventures for over forty years and have extensively researched and written about the character. James Gunn is a capable filmmaker, but he did not nor ever truly will "get" Superman. There's far more depth and potential to Superman than anything made by Gunn or Goyer, Snyder, Nolan, or Singer. I've accepted that the studio simply doesn't like Superman enough to even bother getting someone who truly knows and loves the character to make a movie adaptation. I'm fine with that, as the best Superman adaptations have already been done and aren't going to be erased because of Gunn's vapid approach. Gunn should have stuck to the anti-heroes and monsters and got someone (Brad Bird has long been my pick) to write and direct Superman.
Remastered in 8k 30 years later
I'm not OP, but I did admit to lying, lmao.
As for film scanning, CBS doesn't have film scanning as of 2022.
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This is probably why they sold the 2k film scanners.
This guy pretty much said they had those film scanners within two weeks and set up shop.
It's easy to get them when money is allocated, I'm sure if Paramount wants to get film scanners, they can have them set up in two weeks.
I also think Paramount has redundant departments for film scanning.
Iron Mountain recently started installing film scanners into it's storage facilities, and
Strattaca is a similar company to Iron Mountain, Strattaca Salt Mines stores the film negatives.
Also, if the price were 17 million to remaster DS9 from the negative, 100,000 buyers of 7x $85.00 boxsets would make the endeavor profitable.
If it's 3x the amount of money, then it's 68million back, or 51 million in profit.
DS9's fanbase is 3 million, if 80 percent of them wanted the boxsets profit would cross over 1 billion dollars (I seriously doubt the demand is that high.)
Give or take the cost of manufacturing the boxsets.
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This guy pretty much said they had those film scanners within two weeks and set up shop.
It's easy to get them when money is allocated, I'm sure if Paramount wants to get film scanners, they can have them set up in two weeks.
I also think Paramount has redundant departments for film scanning.
Iron Mountain recently started installing film scanners into it's storage facilities, and
Strattaca is a similar company to Iron Mountain, Strattaca Salt Mines stores the film negatives.
Also, if the price were 17 million to remaster DS9 from the negative, 100,000 buyers of 7x $85.00 boxsets would make the endeavor profitable.
If it's 3x the amount of money, then it's 68million back, or 51 million in profit.
DS9's fanbase is 3 million, if 80 percent of them wanted the boxsets profit would cross over 1 billion dollars (I seriously doubt the demand is that high.)
Give or take the cost of manufacturing the boxsets.
That brings up interesting questions for discussion:
What TV or movies have you owned on DVD (or VHS) and then bought BluRays?
And is there anything that have you thought about replacing when BluRays were available but then decided against it?
I have replaced:
Downton Abbey seasons 1-2, the sets and costumes look much better
2001 A Space Odyssey
But i'm a Cheerleader!
Apollo 13
Lord of the Rings
the Harry Potter movie collection
Clueless
The Devil Wears Prada
several of the Bond films
Singing in the Rain
The Wizard of Oz
At this point I don't think any fans are going to be buying individual season sets. They'll either be buying a whole series box set at $150 or something, or they'll wait. And that's the retail price, half of that gets eaten up by distributors and maybe even a few pennies in residuals for the actors and writers. They might break even, but won't be making a ton of money. If they put their money into a new series, at least there's a possibility that they'll win big.As for film scanning, CBS doesn't have film scanning as of 2022.
This is probably why they sold the 2k film scanners.CBS Digital Rebrands As CBS VFX, Moves Production Operation To Studio City
CBS Digital has rebranded as CBS VFX and will move its production operation to CBS Studios from CBS Television Center.
This guy pretty much said they had those film scanners within two weeks and set up shop.
It's easy to get them when money is allocated, I'm sure if Paramount wants to get film scanners, they can have them set up in two weeks.
I also think Paramount has redundant departments for film scanning.
Iron Mountain recently started installing film scanners into it's storage facilities, and
Strattaca is a similar company to Iron Mountain, Strattaca Salt Mines stores the film negatives.
Also, if the price were 17 million to remaster DS9 from the negative, 100,000 buyers of 7x $85.00 boxsets would make the endeavor profitable.
If it's 3x the amount of money, then it's 68million back, or 51 million in profit.
DS9's fanbase is 3 million, if 80 percent of them wanted the boxsets profit would cross over 1 billion dollars (I seriously doubt the demand is that high.)
Give or take the cost of manufacturing the boxsets.
I agree with that, I think it would have to be a 250 dollar bulk set, similar to Babylon 5, with a hybrid approach.
If you can do a 250 dollar 4k set, then you'd need 204,000 buyers to produce 68 million needed to make a profit of 3x, which covers breaking even.
A 1080p set might go for 150. I would look at Seinfeld's model.
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