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Would you like a trip back into the Kelvin Universe?

Would you like a trip back into the Kelvin Universe?

  • Yes, let's go back for ST14!!

    Votes: 20 87.0%
  • Nahm the Prime on TV can do well on it's own

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Yes. I want to see the interior of the 1701-A that we saw at then end of Beyond.
Gosh, I thought the filmmakers made a mistake replacing the redesigned Enterprise so soon, I actually liked the new look of the ship--those brief, VERY BRIEF, beauty passes of the Enterprise and cabin interiors gave me goosebumps and when I heard Kirk say his official Captain's log I felt the series was in a right place to move forward... until the ship was ripped to shreds. Then all of a sudden I felt I was transported into those "The Fast and the Furious" live action, cartoon movies.

As for returning to JJ Abrams' world of Star Trek? I would, I thought he got the look right, his universe looked very pretty... but the ultra violence was a bit much. It seemed defensive screens were weak in that world and the ship's hull was made out of aluminum. If they somehow make another movie I think the film should be more in the vain of The Voyage Home; make the movie not so violent and have some message which can be inspiring.
 
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The Beyond Refit is my fav version of the Kelvinverse Enterprise.

Having said that, I would like to see a fourth movie with the Ent-A! Have also been desperately hoping that Eaglemoss produce a diecast of this version, that way if a fourth movie doesn’t come to pass, then I can zoom a diecast version of the A around my home, making up my own fourth movie imagining! :P
 
No. I’m very glad it’s done. The kelvin universe never felt like real trek. It felt like Star Wars. Plus 2 out of 3 movies with the enterprise being attacked and nearly destroyed by a big superior vessel was getting boring. Bring on prime trek Picard. IMO. Can’t wait for that.
 
Please define.

It felt more like the Star Wars universe. Instead of traditional Star Trek phasers we got phasers both handheld and ship that were more like Star Wars. The continuous phaser be was replaced with the laser bolts. There was really no Kirk, Spock and McCoy trio. Uhura replaces McCoy and we get A love triangle between Kirk, Spock and Uhura just like Star Wars. Even the aliens seem more Star Wars like.
 
I feel kind of bad saying it, but I don't think I'd care one way or another. They were fun movies when there was no other Trek around...but that's not true currently. And, they've wasted so much time and energy between films that even I am not excited about them any longer.
 
It felt more like the Star Wars universe. Instead of traditional Star Trek phasers we got phasers both handheld and ship that were more like Star Wars. The continuous phaser be was replaced with the laser bolts. There was really no Kirk, Spock and McCoy trio. Uhura replaces McCoy and we get A love triangle between Kirk, Spock and Uhura just like Star Wars. Even the aliens seem more Star Wars like.
We had bolts long before this film. Star Trek is an action/adventure franchise at its roots so I guess I never understood this comparison. It felt like TOS but in the 2000s.:shrug:

And, it wasn't really a love triangle since there was no "Will she? Won't she?" in the relationship.

If we are being completely superficial then I could see it, but Star Trek is far more than the superficial.
 
We had bolts long before this film. Star Trek is an action/adventure franchise at its roots so I guess I never understood this comparison. It felt like TOS but in the 2000s.:shrug:

And, it wasn't really a love triangle since there was no "Will she? Won't she?" in the relationship.

If we are being completely superficial then I could see it, but Star Trek is far more than the superficial.

People seem to like to say that anything set in space with ships and ray guns featuring action and adventure is like Star Wars.
 
We had bolts long before this film. Star Trek is an action/adventure franchise at its roots so I guess I never understood this comparison. It felt like TOS but in the 2000s.:shrug:

And, it wasn't really a love triangle since there was no "Will she? Won't she?" in the relationship.

If we are being completely superficial then I could see it, but Star Trek is far more than the superficial.

When people compare these movies to star wars I wonder if they ever watched star wars.


And you cannot have a triangle if the person in the middle doesn't give a damn about the other guy.
Nyota Uhura already has her sassy vulcan boyfriend and it hardly is anyone's business until his home gets destroyed and they say goodbye on that transport pad.
The creative team deliberately didn't make it a 'triangle' because the point for them was that she already is with Spock who, unlike Kirk, isn't the typical hero-who-gets-the-girl of this genre. They subverted an outdated trope.
Of course, they tease you a bit because they play with the audience taking it (a triangle) for granted.. which makes it more fun when they dismantle it.

The natural evolution of the kirk/spock/uhura dynamic is like trios such as han/leila/luke or harry/hermione/ron where, rather than a 'triangle', you have a guy and his friends (whom he will consider his brother and sister) and those friends of his happen to be in love/a couple. That way, instead of having 3 men and thus just male friendship being the main focus, you have 3 different kinds of relationships.

If Uhura were a guy, it probably would also be easier for some to notice that Uhura and Spock actually kind of have a similar dynamic with Kirk where they both don't like him at first, consider him just an idiot with ego etc, but he gradually earns their trust and in the end, both respect him and accept him as their captain. Spock and Uhura are similar in that they are the 'nerds' who don't take Kirk too serioustly at first because of his behavior (cheating on tests doesn't help) . I guess the fact they are hot and portrayed as 'desiderable' people and in a relationship prevents some from recognizing this trait in s/u because they don't fit with the typical image of the 'smart guys'. But they are that contrast to Kirk. Uhura has that dynamic with him even before Spock does.
In stid, it's flipped with Kirk and Uhura being 'allies' in their similar issues with Spock. Once again, no triangle ..you can argue Kirk supports s/u in his way.

Tl dr: the 'Uhura replaced Mccoy' thing gives that agenda away. The faux annoyance for a nonexistent 'love triangle' frankly seems to be just an excuse to dismiss and/or minimize the narrative value of a different dynamic that includes a woman and thus isn't just about the 'bros' like in the old good 60s.

I get the nostalgia for the old trio, but no one says that you can't do something different or that everything must stay the same.
It would also be nice if trek fans started to finally contextualize tos a bit as a show made in the 60s.
It's kind of irresponsible to worship dynamics like the bros trio while ignoring why it was like that in the first place, why that dynamic was everything they were allowed to give to the audience in the 60s. Liking kirk/spock/mccoy is fine but when you keep on pretending it's either that or burst, or that it's important (tm) for trek to focus on 3 guys at any cost, it feels like you are ignoring the fact that dynamic was, we like it or not, the result of a problematic context where they tried to have female leads but weren't allowed to. And you are now demonizing a trek that tries to fix that a bit.
It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive anyway, but some make ut seems it must be (again, few seem to notice that Uhura and Mccoy also paralleled each other as they are the ones important to the main guys ). Honestly, if you need to blame anyone for Mccoy getting little to do blame Kirk and Kirk/Spock not Uhura. It's the focus on the main bromance that made Mccoy and his bromance redundant, it isn't the fact Spock has a life outside of his dynamic with Kirk and they are, you know, a tad more equal in that sense. It also is Kirk who 'replaced' Mccoy in the trio because he is the emotion that clashes with Spock's logic here. He was the one who argued with Spock. Uhura was, if anything, the balance between the two.
 
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It felt more like the Star Wars universe. Instead of traditional Star Trek phasers we got phasers both handheld and ship that were more like Star Wars. The continuous phaser be was replaced with the laser bolts. There was really no Kirk, Spock and McCoy trio. Uhura replaces McCoy and we get A love triangle between Kirk, Spock and Uhura just like Star Wars. Even the aliens seem more Star Wars like.
Phasers fired in bolts in "Balance of Terror" but that's none of my business.

*Kermit sipping tea.jpg*
 
I'd love to see more Kelvin-timeline content. Be it movie, comic, novels or integration with STO. The Beyond standard ship uniform has a nice firm cut. A similar-but-different-and-more-modern timeline is the perfect playground for parallel universe fun with lasting consequences.

And I would really love to see what the DSC cast is up to in the Kelvin timeline. Ideally in comic form. Would Burnham still be raised on Vulcan? Without the Klingon War, does Georgiou live?
 
We are shown a variety of weapons in Star Trek, including more pulse style ones. Not sure why this is the breaking point for it...:shrug:
It's not a breaking point, nor are any of the other "reasons" he's given. They're merely random selections from that same old checklist we've been seeing since before the first movie was even released, back then usually offered as "reasons" for opting not to pay to buy a theater ticket or DVD. Give them all the weight they merit.
 
It's not a breaking point, nor are any of the other "reasons" he's given. They're merely random selections from that same old checklist we've been seeing since before the first movie was even released, back then usually offered as "reasons" for opting not to pay to buy a theater ticket or DVD. Give them all the weight they merit.
My bad. I was looking for reason inside these "reasons" and coming up very empty. That makes sense .
 
My bad. I was looking for reason inside these "reasons" and coming up very empty. That makes sense .
Yeah, they're pretty light on substance, as reasons go. Basically, they're all "I just decided in advance that I wasn't going to like it," pretending to be something more profound.
 
I liked the movies and I would see another one, or a show set in it. Having said that, Prime seems to be back now in a way that didnt seem likely 10 years ago, when the first Kelvin film premiered. The Prime timeline seemed moribund and all the excitement was for the reboot. Now it's the opposite.

At this point, I would prefer anything not set in the Prime universe to be a more radical departure from it than the Kelvin films ever were. I would like to see a reimagination of the Trek universe from the ground up, or just stick with the Prime timeline for now.
 
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I'd love another Kelvin film. It's a great cast and I enjoyed all three, which is a far better strike rate than either the TOS or TNG films.

While the gap between the small and big screen is closing (Discovery's S2 finale was spectacular), there's something special about seeing Trek in a packed cinema.
 
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