Would Tom still be with B'Elanna if Kes stayed?

[Guy Gardener]

Before and After is one of the better episodes, and according to that, Tom didn't start with Kes until after B'Elanna died... But Kes knew before hand about what she had to gain from a loving partnership with Tom, would she claim jump heading the Klingon off at the pass, as easily as also how to make sure that B'Elanna and Janeway didn't die during the first minute of the Year of Hell.

B'Elanna or Kes? If Kes had stayed, and B'Elanna had lived, who would have been making babies with Tom in Season Seven?

 

[J47]

Considering how Tom and B'Elanna got together the episode after Kes left, I don't think Tom was particularly broken up about her departure.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom wasn't the one in the know on what he was missing out on... Tom and B'Elanna already had a casual thing giong on at that point... He tried to get more in Day of honer but got denied, so in an infant like turn of affection booked a date with Seven of Nine for revenge sex... I exagaerate maybe a little but but he turned his forcus to the borg onscreen because B'Elanna wouldn't commit.

The near death experience was what got her head straight turning on the landing lights and Tom released fired the reto's on his shuttle... Bigger than a shuttle? had they been seeding much about their pairing before Blood fever?

If they hadn't have gotten stuck suffocating in their AV Suits, then he would have moved onto Seven of Nine and then we mightn't see if she would have had stopped Tom from trying to get his leg over with the next pretty face who wandered by by sticking a ring on his finger and having his babies?

I doubt she would have, but that Borg was next in line, unless Kes decided she wanted to have those grand children she met in seaosn 3.

 

[fucku]

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[FalTorPan]

Re: FUCK YOU!!!!!!

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[CDP]

Re: FUCK YOU!!!!!!

fucku said:
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[The Borg Queen]

Human/Ocampa hybrids

It surprises me that a Human and an Ocampa are even biologically compatible, considering the differences in reproductive physiology.

That's Threshold level of science, right there!

 

[KiraDax]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

The Borg Queen said:
It surprises me that a Human and an Ocampa are even biologically compatible, considering the differences in reproductive physiology.

That's Threshold level of science, right there!

Come on, nothing can stand in the way of true love!

As for the original question, if you recall, the reason given for Tom and Kes beginning a relationship in Before and After was B'Elanna's death. Allegedly, Tom was so despondent after his Klingon girlfriend died that Kes had to actively work to pull him out of his depression-then he plastered to her like a leech. And went despondent again when it was her turn to die.

He seemed a very abandonment-phobic man, Tom.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

His entire personality is based n the fact that his father is nonexpressive with the feelings y'know? What do we know about his mommy?

Besides, we all know about the "Judgement of Paris" from greek legend leading into the Trojan War right? He's all about about "discord" between the womanfolke no?

Kes excretes glue frm her palms during mating season. Leeches are more about teeth digging in right?

 

[KiraDax]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

One gets the impression that Mrs. Paris might have been one of those unassuming, background noise military wives who believed the sun rose and set on her husband and that the children-especially the son of the family-should quietly obey his wishes and be a source of dutiful pride.

That's a pretty sad stereotype for the 24th century, actually, but it does explain Tom's habit of putting women in the category of things to be petted, used, and discarded, but not necessarily taken seriously.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

So, not dead?

I always wondered since enough was made about Janeway serving under Owen Paris was made that she didn't actually "serve under him"? Which considering that Tom was supposed to be the male lead, and romantic interest for Janeway according to the show bible... She was trading in for a newer model.

Kirk slept with half his crew but Picard had a hot water bottle. I'm not reading too much into a few lines. I'm thinking of all the boss dating the intern bullshit power conversion that goes on in Grays Anatomy, that if Janeway had been the plaything of some manly musky Captain in her Youth, no wonder she was afraid to "use" some of crew to clear her cobwebs while reversing the dynamic.

 

[Kieran]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

Kes was boring as hell... B'Elanna wasn't.

No doubt in my mind, Tom would be with B'Elanna.

 

[Katrine]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

I think it was an ifatuation thing with Kes, but there was more "meat' to his realtionship with B'Lanna.
Maybe I should've said more substance instead of meat, huh?

 

[hawk200]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

I would say that he would have married B`Lanna who as we all know was a hot chick and would give him a run for his money. I think that he liked that kind of woman.
As for Kes,I think that she seemed to everyone on board more like their daughter or little sister.I don`t think that he would want to marry his sister.
I know that he did marry her in Before and After but I think that he did it out of loneliness.

H200

 

[exodus]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

The big question is: Tom was attracted to Kes but was Kes ever attracted to him.


Even in "Before & After", Kes stated that Tom wouldn't be with her if Be'Lanna hadn't died.

 

[KiraDax]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

I think it was a case of 'Wow, I've found someone who can take care of me and stoke my ego by pretending I'm doing her a favor and taking care of her.' for Tom and a case of 'Oh, someone has to take care of him.' for Kes in the Before and After timeline.

To be fair, though, Kes didn't really seem the sort of person to be heavily influenced by romantic notions. She was sympathetic and generous to a fault as a caretaker, yes, but seemed a bit of a cold fish in more intimate situations.

 

[exodus]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

KiraDax said:
I think it was a case of 'Wow, I've found someone who can take care of me and stoke my ego by pretending I'm doing her a favor and taking care of her.' for Tom and a case of 'Oh, someone has to take care of him.' for Kes in the Before and After timeline.

To be fair, though, Kes didn't really seem the sort of person to be heavily influenced by romantic notions. She was sympathetic and generous to a fault as a caretaker, yes, but seemed a bit of a cold fish in more intimate situations.

Yes, I noticed that too.

I always wondered if that's how Kes was meant to be or was it the fault of the actress. I always found it odd how Kes would be warm and careing one minute and then kinda go blank and zone out the next.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

exodus said.
I always found it odd how Kes would be warm and careing one minute and then kinda go blank and zone out the next.

Hey! That's exactly my relationship with Voyager!

You'd have to think that Kes interacting with the rest of the crew would be like from "Blink/Wink of an Eye" on a shorter economy of scale. That girl wasn't even one years old when she was asking Neelix to have her babies(Are her genitals really in her shoulder? Is that where the boys insert their whatnots? That conjures a completely different image about how they hold their super-glued hands while breeding.). Two years later, she was middle aged and super worldly while the humans about her, god forbid the Vulcans had barely realized that any time had gone by to wonder why they were so stodgy and lumbering with their emotional development to mostly be the same persons they were a year ago.

Well that is if TPTB had ran with their original ideas instead of treading water preserving the status quo. It would have been nice to see her grow up gradually and not have it ignored the next week.

Besides, this is all about Andrew and Lynnis being more important than Tom's happiness wrapped up in that Klingon's arms, that the little blonde girl might have thought about screwing over Tom and B'Elanna's relationship, even possibly to the point of killing B'Elanna, because lets face it, Kes would be acting in defense of her family no different than if a bear was trying to eat them... B'Elanna has to die for Andrew to live, and considering Harry will get laid quite well in the process, then maybe he might be a co-conspirator?

 

[KiraDax]

Re: Human/Ocampa hybrids

Guy Gardener said:
...lets face it, Kes would be acting in defense of her family no different than if a bear was trying to eat them... B'Elanna has to die for Andrew to live, and considering Harry will get laid quite well in the process, then maybe he might be a co-conspirator?

I don't know that I would have put it that precise way, but that's always been my sticking point with an otherwise excellent episode as well (okay, one more-I wish we had seen Linnis as a little girl). While Harry had no way of knowing what he was going to miss, I really, really loathe the idea that Kes could so swiftly thumb away that entire future she saw, that family.

Ah, the sweetness and generosity of youth. No wonder she came back spitting mad and ready to kill when she got old and lonely.