We all know Capaldi's doctor is quite rude to us little humans. Would he be nicer to a fellow Time Lord since they would be on the same level as him? Would he treat his fellow Time Lords with more respect?
Would the Doctor be nice to a fellow time lord?
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The whole reason the Doctor left Gallifrey was because he held the Time Lords in contempt, finding them a stagnant and decadent culture. Then there's this little gem from his sixth incarnation ("The Ultimate Foe"):
"In all my travellings throughout the universe I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here! The oldest civilisation, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Ha! Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen, they're still in the nursery compared to us! Ten million years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupt!"
There are probably individual Time Lords that he'd respect, like Romana, but I don't think he'd be any kinder to them on the whole than he is to humans. There's a reason he's long preferred the company of humans to that of other Gallifreyans, even before Gallifrey was lost.
"In all my travellings throughout the universe I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here! The oldest civilisation, decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core. Ha! Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen, they're still in the nursery compared to us! Ten million years of absolute power, that's what it takes to be really corrupt!"
There are probably individual Time Lords that he'd respect, like Romana, but I don't think he'd be any kinder to them on the whole than he is to humans. There's a reason he's long preferred the company of humans to that of other Gallifreyans, even before Gallifrey was lost.
Plus we know that the Time Lords forced a regeneration on him, exiled him to Earth, removed knowledge of certain technologies from his mind. Used him when it suited them despite there so called non-interference policy. Put him on trial (more than once). Then of course isn't part of the Reason he was going to use The Moment due to Rassilons plan to end time.
However he was President Twice (Fourth and Fifth incarnations),
Yep the Time Lords have given The Doctor plenty of reason to like them.
However he was President Twice (Fourth and Fifth incarnations),
Yep the Time Lords have given The Doctor plenty of reason to like them.
And...In fact, in The Five Doctors (Or was it in The Deadly Assassin?), he even states (pretty much) that being elected to President was the final straw that broke the Camel's back, and sparked him to run away, in the first place (This is why he was entitled to the claim to the Presidency in his 4th incarnation)
No, that's not what he meant in "The Five Doctors." Here's the exchange:
Note that Tegan says nothing about the presidency in the line the Doctor responds to. Just going on the run from his people. Yes, it's the second time he's done that, but there's no implication that he's doing it for the same reason.
In "The Deadly Assassin," the Doctor declared himself a candidate for the Presidency as a way of evading execution when he was charged with the former President's assassination. He was told that his application was frivolous and an abuse of a legal guarantee -- which it pretty much was. It was clear that he had no prior claim to the office, merely the same right to run for office as any other Time Lord. However, at the end of the story, he was the only candidate left alive. That is why he was able to claim the Presidency on his next visit to Gallifrey in "The Invasion of Time."
There's also "You have avoided your responsibilities for far too long", from Flavia.
And maybe it's from an Audio(s), but, I recall there's more mentions.
So, considering the context, that he is speaking about running out on his Presidential Responsibility, I think it is a valid interpretation, even without Tegan making reference to the Presidency
And maybe it's from an Audio(s), but, I recall there's more mentions.
So, considering the context, that he is speaking about running out on his Presidential Responsibility, I think it is a valid interpretation, even without Tegan making reference to the Presidency
As I explained, that's a followup to "The Deadly Assassin," wherein he was elected president by default, and "The Invasion of Time," where he claimed the office for the duration of the story and then left again. Yes, the Doctor did become President, but not until his fourth incarnation. We were overtly shown this happening. It was absolutely not a reference to something from the First Doctor's past. It was an arc that started in "The Deadly Assassin," continued in "The Invasion of Time," and resolved in "The Five Doctors."
Here's the dialogue from "The Deadly Assassin":
http://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/14-3.htm
As a candidate for the Presidency, not as an already-elected president coming to claim his office. It was the events of TDA that led to him becoming President (by default) for the first time. That is what his claim to the office in "The Invasion of Time" was based on, and it is what Flavia was referring to in "The Five Doctors."
As a side note, "You mean you're deliberately choosing to go on the run from your own people in a rackety old Tardis?" is just a dreadful piece of dialogue.
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Interestingly the Tenth Doctor seemed to want to forgive the Master for his past transgressions, whereas previous incarnations were often ambivalent to his fate.
At that point in time the tenth Doctor believed he and the Master were the last two Time Lords, that'd make him a bit more forgiving.
He called the Corsair "one of the good ones" in 'The Doctor's Wife'.
I seem to recall that the Sixth Doctor claimed his title of President when he was put on trail (again) and told he had lost his title due to him not conducting his duties, and was replaced. I somehow think they offered it again before he left.
The Seventh Doctor claimed to be President-elect when addressing the Daleks.
As for the 12th Doctor, it has been a very, very long time since he had the company of other Time Lords that were not himself. Its been like 900 years since he saved Gallifrey, and aside from brief incidents with the Master, Rassilon, and the War Council, he's had no interaction with a Time Lord since the end of the Time War something like 1,300 years ago. The only other one he's been around is the hybrid River Song.
Even after he ran away the first time as the Doctor, he still ran in to Time Lords every few hundred years or less. He didn't care for the society, but they are still his people. He got along fine with Romana (mostly). Has issues with the Master, Rani, and a few others who were causing trouble that he had to fix. From the words of the 11th Doctor, he got along with the Corsair (she was a naughty girl, when she was one). And of course there was his granddaughter Susan.
The Doctor, for all his bluster, is lonely. River Song, for all the trouble she caused him, kept him from being completely alone for a few hundred years. But since the end of the era of Ponds, and the 900 year defense of Trenzalor, the Doctor has been a lonely man. Without even a regular human companion for most of that time.
Plus we don't know how long the Time War was for the Doctor. His age doesn't tell us anything since he is lying about it...unless he isn't. If the Doctor's age as the 9th Doctor was 900 years old since Karn (the birth of the War Doctor, since the 8th Doctor died), than the war was at least 800 years long. This makes some sense if we consider how slowly a Time Lord ages based on the 11th Doctor aging on Trenzalor. The 1st Doctor regenerated due to age (speed up from multiple temporal attacks during his years by the Daleks and finally the energy sapping of the Cybermen), and the War Doctor seems to have regenerated due to age as well. The 11th Doctor probably should have regenerated due to age, but couldn't. But if we consider that he was the 11th Doctor for something like 1200 years, than, it would make sense if the War Doctor was 800 to 900 years old when he regenerated and the Doctor continued to count his age from Karn rather than from Gallifrey as the First Doctor.
The 12th Doctor claims to be over 2000 years old. If we take into account the idea that the Doctor restarted counting his age at Karn, than he is really more like 3000 or more years old, since he was over 950 when he regenerated into being the 7th Doctor and was probably over 1000 when he regenerated into the 8th Doctor. And we can consider the 8th Doctor to have been around for a while via the audio books.
So he is very, very lonely.
The Seventh Doctor claimed to be President-elect when addressing the Daleks.
As for the 12th Doctor, it has been a very, very long time since he had the company of other Time Lords that were not himself. Its been like 900 years since he saved Gallifrey, and aside from brief incidents with the Master, Rassilon, and the War Council, he's had no interaction with a Time Lord since the end of the Time War something like 1,300 years ago. The only other one he's been around is the hybrid River Song.
Even after he ran away the first time as the Doctor, he still ran in to Time Lords every few hundred years or less. He didn't care for the society, but they are still his people. He got along fine with Romana (mostly). Has issues with the Master, Rani, and a few others who were causing trouble that he had to fix. From the words of the 11th Doctor, he got along with the Corsair (she was a naughty girl, when she was one). And of course there was his granddaughter Susan.
The Doctor, for all his bluster, is lonely. River Song, for all the trouble she caused him, kept him from being completely alone for a few hundred years. But since the end of the era of Ponds, and the 900 year defense of Trenzalor, the Doctor has been a lonely man. Without even a regular human companion for most of that time.
Plus we don't know how long the Time War was for the Doctor. His age doesn't tell us anything since he is lying about it...unless he isn't. If the Doctor's age as the 9th Doctor was 900 years old since Karn (the birth of the War Doctor, since the 8th Doctor died), than the war was at least 800 years long. This makes some sense if we consider how slowly a Time Lord ages based on the 11th Doctor aging on Trenzalor. The 1st Doctor regenerated due to age (speed up from multiple temporal attacks during his years by the Daleks and finally the energy sapping of the Cybermen), and the War Doctor seems to have regenerated due to age as well. The 11th Doctor probably should have regenerated due to age, but couldn't. But if we consider that he was the 11th Doctor for something like 1200 years, than, it would make sense if the War Doctor was 800 to 900 years old when he regenerated and the Doctor continued to count his age from Karn rather than from Gallifrey as the First Doctor.
The 12th Doctor claims to be over 2000 years old. If we take into account the idea that the Doctor restarted counting his age at Karn, than he is really more like 3000 or more years old, since he was over 950 when he regenerated into being the 7th Doctor and was probably over 1000 when he regenerated into the 8th Doctor. And we can consider the 8th Doctor to have been around for a while via the audio books.
So he is very, very lonely.
He's even that way in Pertwee stories, though.
BRIGADIER: Think he'll [the Master] turn up again, Doctor?
DOCTOR: Yes, bound to.
JO: You don't seem very worried about it.
DOCTOR: I'm not. As a matter of fact, Jo, I'm rather looking forward to it.
The scene ought to continue:
BRIGADIER: I'm glad all those deaths he caused were so f***ing amusing to you.
The Inquisitor suggests he run for election again, but he declines the nomination.
One TimeLord for whom the Doctor seemed to have genuine respect was "K'anpo Rimpoche". When still on Gallifrey as a young person, the Doctor visited a "hermit" secluding himself within a cave atop a hill. Through inference, we gather this "hermit" opened the Doctor's eyes to philosophies most other TimeLords decided to ignore. The Doctor was pleasantly surprised to discover Rimpoche living on Earth in the guise of an Tibetan abbot during the events of "The Planet of the Spiders". The Doctor, normally a bit arrogant or at least self assured, was deeply humbled in Rimpoche's presence.
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Bill
Sincerely,
Bill
He also had respect for Professor Chronotis, but the professor was also on the outs with the Timelords, as I recall.
The Doctor seems to get on VERY well with Time Lords who deviate from the norm. Normal Time Lords though he can't seem to stand, to the point you feel he respects the Master more than them.
When Romana was very green and pretty much what you'd expect from a Time Lord, the Doctor had a hard time standing her. A trip or two later she began to adjust and evolve past being a generic snooty Time Lord and the two got on far better.
In fact I suspect she regenerated in part to adjust her personality, getting rid of those traits that were holding her back.
When Romana was very green and pretty much what you'd expect from a Time Lord, the Doctor had a hard time standing her. A trip or two later she began to adjust and evolve past being a generic snooty Time Lord and the two got on far better.
In fact I suspect she regenerated in part to adjust her personality, getting rid of those traits that were holding her back.
The Doctor didn't seem to care much one way or the other when he first met Drax, though he didn't seem thrilled with being repeatedly called "Theta Sigma", his academy "name", even less with the shortened version "Thete".
But understandably, it quite riled the Doctor when he learned Drax built the totally automated battle computer, a system that had bombed Princess Astra's world into near oblivion.
Sincerely,
Bill
But understandably, it quite riled the Doctor when he learned Drax built the totally automated battle computer, a system that had bombed Princess Astra's world into near oblivion.
Sincerely,
Bill
Someone with the name of The Corsair is probably just as cavalier as the Doctor anyway.
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