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Would Stargate Be As Popular If It Wasn't For Showtime?

Danny99

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As everyone knows, SG-1 spent it's first five years on Showtime, an American cable channel which in no doubt made the series more attractive to potential talent.

Would Stargate have the vast TV empire it has today if SG-1 had premiered in some other format?

Would Richard Dean Anderson signed on to a show that was on a lesser network?

Would some of the high profile guest stars signed on to guest star on a little science fiction show on some network?

Just a theory.
 
What really helped it was Stargate Monday. A lot of people never watched it on Showtime; so when it first moved to Scifi, having that many episodes all at once was a very appealing way to catch up, and more than a bit addictive.
 
First of all, despite the irrefutable success it has enjoyed with its 334 hours of television to-date and counting, I would still refrain from referring to the Stargate franchise as a 'vast empire'. Even in its heyday during the sixth through eighth seasons of the flagship show and the first, second, fourth and fifth seasons of the first spinoff (ratings dipped somewhat uncomfortably during the third but began to pick themselves back up later) it still never attracted more than two million viewers per week, which while enough to be considered stable on SyFy, still keeps it far from the public tongue.

This is a nitpick, I know, and I'm sorry if I'm coming off kind of silly for it. But part of it is the very real fact that I wish it really was a 'vast empire', because then we'd be getting that much more of it.

People sign onto things because they get money that way. Richard Dean Anderson still might have taken the role if he'd been offered it on a 'lesser' network than the premium cable Showtime, and most of those guest stars certainly might have. Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonell, for example, are no slouches when it comes to name recognition, and Battlestar Galactica (2003) held its entire run on SyFy.

Another thing. While Showtime is a more high-profile brand name, its status as a premium network (and indeed, its viewership was lesser in 1997-2002 than it is today) kept the series from being watched by all that many people. More people were watching the show on SyFy even when its ratings began to slide toward the end of its tenure than ever had on Showtime. What really kept SG-1 going through the gate for the first five years (besides, of course, the fact that they had a five-year contract... these things are broken if a show does badly) was the fact that its syndication ratings were winners. Enough people without a subscription to Showtime were paying advertisers on other, lower channels.

It's not like the series did poorly on Showtime, and it certainly gained a bit of a reputation for itself just from being there. But a great many more people were watching once it moved to SyFy, because a great many more people had SyFy.

Which brings us to Lindley's very valid point. 'Stargate Mondays' did a very admirable job pulling new fans into the franchise, myself included. I began watching with "Redemption, Part I", the first episode that aired on SyFy in 2002, but it was through the hard work and dedication the network showed to making sure people could get caught up from early on that a lot of us really formed connections. I was in high school then, and I was still bummed that Deep Space Nine had ended years prior.

I was a Farscape fan (and deeply dissatisfied with that same network's lack of commitment to that show soon thereafter) but Stargate SG-1 and my ability to relive the old adventures I missed four hours a week was a big, cool thing for me. As I watched the new episodes and enjoyed them, I got to know the characters' pasts on Mondays. It was something special.
 
Depends on whether you see a correlation between popularity and quality. On Skiffy - ehhh. Many of their crap shows do just fine. All I know is, Stargate was definitely better for the first five seasons, I dunno why. When they didn't have Showtime breathing down their necks, did they slack off? Change in staff behind the camera?

As everyone knows, SG-1 spent it's first five years on Showtime, an American cable channel which in no doubt made the series more attractive to potential talent.
I don't think that would make any difference. The show didn't exactly attract top-flight talent. Richard Dean Anderson was the only really well known one, and he isn't the caliber of actor I associate with premium cable. Skiffy could easily have hired the rest of the cast on its own meager merits, and probably RDA too. They just nabbed a far better actor - David Straitharn - for what sounds like an abysmal show (Alphas). It's tough out there for older actors, regardless of how wonderfully talented they might be.
 
I think some mention should be made of SG1's run in syndication since many of us didn't have Showtime, I watched the in syndication for years before it came to Sci-fi. And the sale of DVDs also helped to spread the show. However Stargate SG1 still isn't all that popular, the fact that it was a minor Canadian made series kind of limits it a bit, The X-Files escaped all of that be being a network show on Fox.
 
I didn't even know of the Stargate series until the 3 or 4th season, I just happened to be over at a friends house and his kids were watching it on Showtime. I never really even got into it until the 7th season. It wasn't until Atlantis started that I went back and picked up the SG-1 DVDs.
 
Count me as another that caught up with Stargate on Mondays, I watched the season 6 premeire but was a bit lost, then I caught up 4 episodes at a time, every
Monday.
 
Having watched Stargate SG-1 from its very first episode on Showtime, I have to say I really hated it when the series moved to the Sci-Fi Channel. The reason? Showtime didn't run ads, which gave the series a more epic and cinematic feel.

I still loved the show (and still do), so I wound up recording the SciFi Channel Stargate shows and watching them later, when I could zip past the ads. So for me, at least, originally watching SG-1 on Showtime was what made me a fan.

One wonders what would have happened if Stargate made its debut on Sci-Fi from the first seaosn on. Would we still have ten seasons? Or would Skiffy have cut SG-1's throat after the first four or five years?

Sean
 
Having watched Stargate SG-1 from its very first episode on Showtime, I have to say I really hated it when the series moved to the Sci-Fi Channel. The reason? Showtime didn't run ads, which gave the series a more epic and cinematic feel.

One of the things I really appreciate about Stargate, that I wish other shows did, was that even after they moved to Sci-Fi, they still edited versions of the show with and without commercial breaks, which is great for the DVDs.

It occasionally introduces pacing oddities. The one I can recall is Moebius, Part II. The alternate SG-1 is in ancient Egypt, and the original Daniel comes into their tent, and the music swells triumphantly on the revelation that he's around... and then abruptly drops away when Daniel asks why there isn't an alternate version of him in the group. As I recall, in the airing, there was a commercial break that blunted that tonal shift. Though I think the DVD version is funnier for the moment, now.
 
One of the things I really appreciate about Stargate, that I wish other shows did, was that even after they moved to Sci-Fi, they still edited versions of the show with and without commercial breaks, which is great for the DVDs.

I know what you mean. The Lost City has been edited into a single 90 minute movie on the DVD, which was where I saw it for the first time. It really feels like an epic summer blockbuster, only much better.

Sean
 
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