Or would TPTB have to create a Batman closer to the Timmverse version?
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Would Nolan's Batman fit in a DC hero movie franchise?...
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I think the idea of forming the DC Movie Universe around the Nolan Batman films, instead of forming the films around a concept for the universe (like the Marvel Movie Universe), is a tremendously stupid idea.
No one wants a dark Flash movie. No one wants a dreary Captain Marvel. And there's already a depressed, mopey Superman -- he's called the Martian Manhunter.
I think at this point DC's screwed the pooch with wanting to fit all their movies into the same universe, because tonally, it's just not going to work. I can see the Donner/Singer Superman -- especially after Returns -- fitting into the BB/TDK world, but I think a reboot would have to seriously alter the fundamental dynamics of the character to go along with the "darkness" the WB execs allegedly desire. Don't they get the fact that TDK did well not because it was dark, but because it was just plain awesome?
No one wants a dark Flash movie. No one wants a dreary Captain Marvel. And there's already a depressed, mopey Superman -- he's called the Martian Manhunter.
I think at this point DC's screwed the pooch with wanting to fit all their movies into the same universe, because tonally, it's just not going to work. I can see the Donner/Singer Superman -- especially after Returns -- fitting into the BB/TDK world, but I think a reboot would have to seriously alter the fundamental dynamics of the character to go along with the "darkness" the WB execs allegedly desire. Don't they get the fact that TDK did well not because it was dark, but because it was just plain awesome?
I think Bale's depiction of Batman/ Bruce is strong enough to fit into any take on the character and he's charismatic and powerful enough to hold his own opposite any other actor or ensemble of actors. And I think it's very authentic to the comics' take on the character.
The only issue is that he, Nolan and Goyer have been very determined to create a Batman that fits into the real world, whose technology and villains don't defy the laws of science or physics. No acid to bleach skin white, no Mr Freeze, no Killer Croc, etc. If in a 3rd movie, Batman suddenly started palling around with aliens or hanging out on a space station, that would suddenly jar with what had been established before.
OTOH, if there was a standalone World's Finest or JLA movie which didn't really intrude on the Nolanverse or have any implications or continuity issues for the Batman solo movies, I think the Dark Knight as imagined by Nolan & played by Bale would fit in fine.
The only issue is that he, Nolan and Goyer have been very determined to create a Batman that fits into the real world, whose technology and villains don't defy the laws of science or physics. No acid to bleach skin white, no Mr Freeze, no Killer Croc, etc. If in a 3rd movie, Batman suddenly started palling around with aliens or hanging out on a space station, that would suddenly jar with what had been established before.
OTOH, if there was a standalone World's Finest or JLA movie which didn't really intrude on the Nolanverse or have any implications or continuity issues for the Batman solo movies, I think the Dark Knight as imagined by Nolan & played by Bale would fit in fine.
In general, in the modern age, there have been two versions of Batman - one that can play around with teams, and one that can't. The JLA Batman has never fit comfortably with the Batman you find in the Batman and Detective Comics title, despite constant efforts to make it all seem like the same Batman.
Personally I can't stand the whole DCU, Marvel U business because it ends up creating a fictional world where anyone and everyone dons a silly costume and goofy name in order to work out their personal problems, and stories become all about people with powers and gadgets while everyday people exist only to be victims. It just reaches a critical mass of unbelievability for me to have fifty people interacting and everyone's got a secret identity.
I find it especially glaring with Batman. In his books alone, he's sprouted so many sidekicks in Gotham over the last 25 years that the whole idea of the lone vigilante is entirely lost - and that's what I've always really liked about the character. Luckily Nolan has stuck close to that idea, and it works great so I'd hate to see anyone try to fold that into a team movie.
Personally I can't stand the whole DCU, Marvel U business because it ends up creating a fictional world where anyone and everyone dons a silly costume and goofy name in order to work out their personal problems, and stories become all about people with powers and gadgets while everyday people exist only to be victims. It just reaches a critical mass of unbelievability for me to have fifty people interacting and everyone's got a secret identity.
I find it especially glaring with Batman. In his books alone, he's sprouted so many sidekicks in Gotham over the last 25 years that the whole idea of the lone vigilante is entirely lost - and that's what I've always really liked about the character. Luckily Nolan has stuck close to that idea, and it works great so I'd hate to see anyone try to fold that into a team movie.
Personally, even though I know it won't happen, I wouldn't mind seeing a live action Batman made specifically for the DCU movie franchise and let the Nolan fans have their Batman. Any confusion would be the fault of marketing and the few less intelligent moviegoers who couldn't tell the difference.
I think Nolan's Batman alone could probably fit, but the world he's created around Batman in his two movies wouldn't fit at all.
I don't really see the big deal in creating a new Batman for a JLA movie though. The public is already pretty accustomed to seeing different interpretations of the character on screen over the years.
I don't really see the big deal in creating a new Batman for a JLA movie though. The public is already pretty accustomed to seeing different interpretations of the character on screen over the years.
Funny. Singer thought he was called "Superman."
MeanJoePhaser
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The WB thought he was called "Clark Kent".
Hollywoodland thought he was called "George Reeves".
Did you not read my post? We're talking about the potential DC Movie Universe, of which Superman Returns is more than likely not going to be a part.
If this thread could go on for at least another page without turning into a Superman Returns bashing extravaganza, it'd be great. Plus, the Internet would crack in half, and look up, 'cause Christ is a-comin'.
oh go unbunch yer panties.
Hopefully Nolan's Batman movies will have no impact on the DC Universe movies, either in continuity or tone.
Ha ha.
I'm of the opinion that most comic book movies are bad and so at least attempting to match the quality of Nolan's films would be a start.
I think a more accurate statement (if you're so inclined) might be that most action/adventure movies are bad. Let's face it, most movies aren't The Bourne Identity. I think we've gotten to the point where the quality of the all the different superhero movies can't be lumped together any more. Superheroes are now just a subset of action/adventure (with a sprinkling of fantasy/sci-fi). There's really no reason to say, for instance, "The Hulk was bad, so I'm not gonna watch Iron Man." They really don't have anything in common other than that they're superhero action/adventure. (And the Hulk's barely a superhero, if you want to be nitpicky). But the fact is, most action/adventure movies really aren't anything terrifically artistic.
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I personally wish that they could say the samething about mainstream Hollywood Asian American films, where there is romance, comedy, drama, action, etc. instead of "Oh great! Not another kung fu film?"
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If only!
