Would Nolan have made a great Star Trek Film

[The Wormhole]

Hans Zimmer would not have used the Alexander Courage theme, though. He would have insisted on creating his own work, saying "to distinguish this film from all the rest" or something like that, when really he'd make something that would sound too dark and pretentious for Trek, with too much electric percussion and overproduced brass.

As much as the Alexander Courage theme, particularly the Star Trek "fanfare" is considered an integral part of the Trek's musical identity, I kind of wish it was left out of the Abrams movies. These have created their own musical identity with the "Enterprising Young Men" tune and its variations, and the Courage theme just doesn't fit in with that. It's as bad as the TOS-like uniforms being used even though they do not fit with the lineage of any of the other Starfleet uniforms used in the movies.

Nostalgia is fine, provided it fits organically. Not when it's ham-fisted. But then, ham-fisting is the only thing the Abrams movies are really any good at.

 

[M'Sharak]

It's as bad as the TOS-like uniforms being used even though they do not fit with the lineage of any of the other Starfleet uniforms used in the movies.

So I've been wondering: not much has been established about the lineage of Starfleet uniforms, canonically speaking...

 

[The Wormhole]

Trek XIII needs a scene where Kirk and Spock enter an alien clothing shop, in search of Harry Mudd. While looking around they meet Garak, trying to sell them better looking outfits. You know what would make this scene even better? Nothing, it has Garak. It's already awe-inspiringly awesome.

Discuss.

 

[Relayer1]

Nolan would make an excellent James Bond film...

Noooooooooo ! ! !

...but not a Star Trek film.

Well, I agree with you there.

To be honest, I wouldn't let Nolan anywhere near any franchise I liked.

Trek XIII needs a scene where Kirk and Spock enter an alien clothing shop, in search of Harry Mudd. While looking around they meet Garak, trying to sell them better looking outfits. You know what would make this scene even better? Nothing, it has Garak. It's already awe-inspiringly awesome.

Discuss.

You are fundamentally misreading the situation. You don't need Kirk, Spock or Mudd.

Just Garak doing Garak things for a couple of hours...

 

[Ovation]

While I'd be happy to let him have a go at just about any franchise I like. I've seen all his films and have enjoyed each one. Different strokes...

 

[The Wormhole]

You are fundamentally misreading the situation. You don't need Kirk, Spock or Mudd.

Just Garak doing Garak things for a couple of hours...

It's true, a movie which consists of just Garak sitting at a gray table in a small white walled room just talking for two hours would be the best movie of the decade. Because Garak is just that awesome.

 

[Cyke101]

Hans Zimmer would not have used the Alexander Courage theme, though. He would have insisted on creating his own work, saying "to distinguish this film from all the rest" or something like that, when really he'd make something that would sound too dark and pretentious for Trek, with too much electric percussion and overproduced brass.

As much as the Alexander Courage theme, particularly the Star Trek "fanfare" is considered an integral part of the Trek's musical identity, I kind of wish it was left out of the Abrams movies. These have created their own musical identity with the "Enterprising Young Men" tune and its variations, and the Courage theme just doesn't fit in with that. It's as bad as the TOS-like uniforms being used even though they do not fit with the lineage of any of the other Starfleet uniforms used in the movies.

Nostalgia is fine, provided it fits organically. Not when it's ham-fisted. But then, ham-fisting is the only thing the Abrams movies are really any good at.

I disagree that the Courage theme doesn't fit -- Enterprising Young Men seems to be adapted from by the Courage theme, in particular the use of horn and the same rise that starts the Courage theme, keeping the drastic escalation and a slower-but-similar pace. The more musically-inclined could describe it better, I think. Plus, the heavy but careful percussion evokes the general TOS score whenever something drastic happens on the TV screen.

And at the very least, that's what I'd like out it, a score that evokes (after all, a reboot gets made precisely because of nostalgia), as opposed to Zimmer who, whenever he signs up to some sort of nostalgia project, jettisons and disregards everything previous to it. Even if the Courage theme was left out, I think its influence is clear on the rest of the reboot score, in the same manner that Generations didn't use the Goldsmith theme but the score is highly evocative of the TV work done before.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think its influence is clear on the rest of the reboot score, in the same manner that Generations didn't use the Goldsmith theme but the score is highly evocative of the TV work done before.

In that case, that had more to do with the fact that the score for Generations was done by someone who had worked on the series.