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Would Jean-Luc Picard ever become UFP President?

tafkats said:
I wonder how well-known he really is outside of Starfleet.

Can the average American name any U.S. Army colonels? I doubt it, and that's about the level Picard is at. Ulysses S. Grant parlayed his military career into a successful run for high office, but he was commanding general of the entire U.S. Army. So did Dwight Eisenhower, but he was a five-star general who ran the entire European theater during World War II. Maybe the commander-in-chief of Starfleet would be able to get elected Federation president based on fame gained as a Starfleet officer, but I think a starship captain would have a lot more trouble.

I have to disagree, for a couple reasons. First, this equates Starfleet with a given branch of the U.S. military. While Starfleet is the "military" spacefleet of the Federation, it really serves a huge number of purposes that most people wouldn't associate with, say, the Navy; alongside things one would expect, such as defense, escort, some spying, and so forth, Starfleet is also intimately involved in exploration and mapping, diplomacy, and so forth. I've always assummed that Starfleet was much more real and significant in the lives of Federation civilians than the military (plus, remember, it's representing the entire Federation, not just the United States).

But, there are plenty of statements throughout TNG that suggest that Picard is something of a Federation celebrity beyond comparison with any contemporary military admiral; and, most of the TNG books I've read (and, yes, I know it's not "canon") also suggest that Picard is quite famous.

And, if you think about it, who would the potential competitors be? Planetary governors, who wouldn't be that famous outside of their home system? Other people in Starfleet? In the 24th century, Picard would probably be quite famous, and his eloquence and charisma would almost assuredly make him a lock, if he ran.
 
Sci said:
I'm just gonna pause and get nitpicky here for a second...
Sorry I wasn't referring to the Trek universe at the beginning of the sentence. I was referring to the real world, as in which person real or fictional would you want to be "President of Earth" if such a thing were to exist.
The first person that came to my mind was Picard, so thus I wondered if in the Trek universe, he would be President of the UFP
:)


re: President Janeway, I imagine she'd be regarded as the Maggie Thatcher of the 25th Century
:eek: :scream: :p
 
Personally I think Picard isn't geared for President. Like said before he's happier on a starship.

Archer, I think, would make a good president.
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I think Janeway is more likely to become President than Picard. Her career acomplishments have all come to her naturally, i.e. not sought after and I think the Delta Quadrant hero would make an attractive candidate in the years following the Dominion War.
 
How about Sisko if he were to return from the wormhole?
Big hero of the Dominion War and all

btw, I know in the novels he does come back and lives on Bajor with his baby, but- not canon, and I'm just saying...
 
Ethros said:
How about Sisko if he were to return from the wormhole?
Big hero of the Dominion War and all

btw, I know in the novels he does come back and lives on Bajor with his baby, but- not canon, and I'm just saying...

The West Wing once had a scene where Deputy Chief of Staff Josh Lyman turned to President Josiah Barlet and said, "You know what the difference between you and me is? You wanna be The Guy, and I wanna The Guy The Guy Relies On."

Sisko is not The Guy. Nor is he The Guy The Guy Relies On.

Sisko is The Guy Who Makes It Work. He's the guy who sits there on the front-lines, day after day, not roaming from planet to planet, but dealing with a steady situation and influencing things to the best of his ability to make everything fit -- sometimes breaking the rules, but more often making those around him see the benefit of those rules.

He is, in short, a do-er. He's the type who would accept a promotion to admiral, sure, he's not out to stay a captain forever... but he'd not be one of the desk-bound admirals. Nor would he be an office-bound kinda leader, which pretty much rules out the presidency.

Just IMO, of course. ;)
 
Personally, I could see Picard becoming an ambassador (something that was stated in the background material released thus far for the MMORPG Star Trek Online. It would be a good fit for him.
 
Caretaker said:
Personally, I could see Picard becoming an ambassador (something that was stated in the background material released thus far for the MMORPG Star Trek Online. It would be a good fit for him.

Agreed -- and in point of fact, I rather imagine that that's how he'd end up moving towards the presidency.
 
I see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy, or Earth/Federation Ambassador to Vulcan (or even the Children of Tamar) ... but Federation President seems somehow not his style.
 
JM1776 said:
I see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy, or Earth/Federation Ambassador to Vulcan (or even the Children of Tamar) ... but Federation President seems somehow not his style.

Why would United Earth or the UFP need an ambassador to Vulcan? Vulcan is a Federation Member. It'd be like the State of New Hampshire having an ambassador to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or the United Kingdom having an ambassador to England.
 
Sci said:
JM1776 said:
I see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy, or Earth/Federation Ambassador to Vulcan (or even the Children of Tamar) ... but Federation President seems somehow not his style.

Why would United Earth or the UFP need an ambassador to Vulcan? Vulcan is a Federation Member. It'd be like the State of New Hampshire having an ambassador to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or the United Kingdom having an ambassador to England.
The UFP is not like the USA. The member planets have more sovereignty than the states of the US do.

On the subject I would see Captain Picard as being head of Starfleet.
 
LiChiu said:
Sci said:
JM1776 said:
I see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy, or Earth/Federation Ambassador to Vulcan (or even the Children of Tamar) ... but Federation President seems somehow not his style.

Why would United Earth or the UFP need an ambassador to Vulcan? Vulcan is a Federation Member. It'd be like the State of New Hampshire having an ambassador to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or the United Kingdom having an ambassador to England.
The UFP is not like the USA. The member planets have more sovereignty than the states of the US do.

There's no evidence of that. We never see the UFP negotiating with its Member governments to make political decisions; on the contrary, we see the UFP unilaterally making Federation-wide policy and law all the time (Federation President determining policy towards Klingons in ST6, FedPres declaring martial law on Earth in DS9, Federation Council banning warp 6 and above in TNG, etc).
 
Sci said:
LiChiu said:
Sci said:
JM1776 said:
I see Picard as Commandant of Starfleet Academy, or Earth/Federation Ambassador to Vulcan (or even the Children of Tamar) ... but Federation President seems somehow not his style.

Why would United Earth or the UFP need an ambassador to Vulcan? Vulcan is a Federation Member. It'd be like the State of New Hampshire having an ambassador to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, or the United Kingdom having an ambassador to England.
The UFP is not like the USA. The member planets have more sovereignty than the states of the US do.

There's no evidence of that. We never see the UFP negotiating with its Member governments to make political decisions; on the contrary, we see the UFP unilaterally making Federation-wide policy and law all the time (Federation President determining policy towards Klingons in ST6, FedPres declaring martial law on Earth in DS9, Federation Council banning warp 6 and above in TNG, etc).
The fact that we have seen ambassadors get together for negotiations should be evidence enough. We saw this happen in a TOS episode.
 
LiChiu said:
Sci said:
There's no evidence of that. We never see the UFP negotiating with its Member governments to make political decisions; on the contrary, we see the UFP unilaterally making Federation-wide policy and law all the time (Federation President determining policy towards Klingons in ST6, FedPres declaring martial law on Earth in DS9, Federation Council banning warp 6 and above in TNG, etc).
The fact that we have seen ambassadors get together for negotiations should be evidence enough. We saw this happen in a TOS episode.

Yeah, in "Journey to Babel," but that same episode establishes that that was an extraordinary circumstance (the Federation on the verge of civil war) and that the decision to allow a planetary state to enter the Federation is not usually undertaken the way it is in that episode.
 
While he's a good diplomat, a fine leader, and would probably make a great POTUFP, I don't think Picard cares too much for politicians or the frequent ass-kissing and personal compromise that goes along with it. There's a difference between getting others to compromise and having to do it yourself.

Of course it could be thrust upon him by a disaster of some kind where his duty and sense of honour wouldn't allow him NOT to run for Pres., he might do it then. Well, it's Picard, he would, he'd do anything to defend his ideals, and his ideals are embodied by the UFP. There's an idea for a fan-fic.
 
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