Worst Third Superhero Movie

[JacksonArcher]

Well, in all fairness, Xavier had information that he gave President McKenna at the end of X2 that pretty much would reveal Stryker behind the attack on the country. So, if anything, if that information leaked then it would put more pressure on the government since McKenna sanctioned Stryker for that black ops mission to capture Xavier and the other mutants which essentially caused that attack on the country in the first place.

 

[Silvercrest]

Yeah, but he's still a beast, capable of tearing people apart in an eye-blink. Rogue could become his assistant, meeting with people still too afraid to trust mutants up close, no matter their qualifications. Or, she could become his assistant anyway. Or a masseuse. A world of options awaits her!

Hmm, something just occurred to me. Rogue has to touch bare skin to in order to drain you, right? So shouldn't guys like Beast and Nightcrawler have some protection against her? At least from casual contact. She'd have to find some exposed skin first. Touching fur doesn't count.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Rogue wore gloves in the films, thus preventing her from really draining anybody unless she came into direct contact with them.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Thus the President we see in The Last Stand, even though he seemed just as conflicted as President McKenna from X2.

He had one in his Cabinet; that looks like a step up to me.

Yeah, but the President in The Last Stand weaponized the cure without consulting McCoy which leads me to believe that he wasn't entirely accepting of mutants.

Sensible, I would think, if you're dealing with terrorists with superpowers, to develop a way of neutralizing them.

 

[JacksonArcher]

He had one in his Cabinet; that looks like a step up to me.

Yeah, but the President in The Last Stand weaponized the cure without consulting McCoy which leads me to believe that he wasn't entirely accepting of mutants.

Sensible, I would think, if you're dealing with terrorists with superpowers, to develop a way of neutralizing them.

The President we saw in X-Men: The Last Stand was definitely more accepting but at the same time there were plenty of instances where he seemed unsure of how to handle mutants, much like President McKenna in X2. "On principal, I can't negotiate with these people" springs to mind.

 

[CaptainCanada]

"On principal, I can't negotiate with these people" springs to mind.

That doesn't strike me as any different from Obama not negotiating with Bin Laden.

 

[Gaith]

Well, in all fairness, Xavier had information that he gave President McKenna at the end of X2 that pretty much would reveal Stryker behind the attack on the country. So, if anything, if that information leaked then it would put more pressure on the government since McKenna sanctioned Stryker for that black ops mission to capture Xavier and the other mutants which essentially caused that attack on the country in the first place.

Stryker tried to kill all mutants, but it was Magneto who almost succeeded at killing all humans, and using tech he and Xavier invented without human assistance. Even if the details of Stryker's culpability were leaked (something McKenna would obviously try to avoid at all costs), I think the global public would still be pretty freaked at the idea that mutants could wipe out humanity at any time. And that doesn't even mention all the probable human deaths caused by Magneto's attack before Xavier was freed.

 

[Nerdius Maximus]

I love Superman 3, but purely for nostalgic reasons. I was about 7 when it came out. I recognize that it's a huge step down for the franchise NOW, but at the time I was really excited about it. It is a very stupid movie, of course.

Batman Returns is dumb, but nowhere near as bad as Batman and Robin, which is completely unwatchable.

I liked X3. Not as much as the first two, but I didn't find it as horrible as everyone else seems to. I dunno, I'd have to see it again.

Spider-Man 3, I liked it for the most part, other than the whole "Evil Peter Parker" thing which almost overwhelms the movie with its stupidity.

Never saw Blade 3.

 

[JacksonArcher]

Well, in all fairness, Xavier had information that he gave President McKenna at the end of X2 that pretty much would reveal Stryker behind the attack on the country. So, if anything, if that information leaked then it would put more pressure on the government since McKenna sanctioned Stryker for that black ops mission to capture Xavier and the other mutants which essentially caused that attack on the country in the first place.

Stryker tried to kill all mutants, but it was Magneto who almost succeeded at killing all humans, and using tech he and Xavier invented without human assistance. Even if the details of Stryker's culpability were leaked (something McKenna would obviously try to avoid at all costs), I think the global public would still be pretty freaked at the idea that mutants could wipe out humanity at any time. And that doesn't even mention all the probable human deaths caused by Magneto's attack before Xavier was freed.

We don't know how McKenna presented that to the public since we never saw his speech. It is quite possible by the time of X-Men: The Last Stand that somehow McKenna was able to quell human fears about mutants thus the more accepting president.

"On principal, I can't negotiate with these people" springs to mind.

That doesn't strike me as any different from Obama not negotiating with Bin Laden.

I guess this delves into much bigger allegorical, culturally relevant issues. For some reason I don't buy humans as being completely tolerable and understanding. How we're responding to the Mosque in Ground Zero for example. You would think that we would treat terrorism as something individualistic and not indicative of a race, but the complications of the Cure weren't being developed solely for Magneto and his terrorist organization. They were developed as a response, but at the same time they were intended for all mutants. Magneto's problem was the use of the Cure. When will humans make the Cure a non-negotiable option for mutants? It seemed inevitable to Magneto. I think at the same time that because the President in The Last Stand didn't quite understand mutants or how to delicately deal with the mutant problem, that the next stage could be making the Cure something all mutants had to do. I mean, he weaponed the Cure without even consulting with his mutant affairs secretary, which should tell you something about his intentions.

 

[Anwar]

For all we know, Xavier may have edited the information he gave to McKenna to somehow show that Stryker's attempt to kill all mutants affected the humans too, making Stryker the sole source of blame. Given how manipulative and secretive Xavier can be...

 

[mswood]

My problem with how they handled Rogue drives from these reasons.

1. Really what couldn't she really experience. She could have sex she can touch, and be felt, she can fell and be felt. All told the only thing I really can't see her being able to do is really kissing. Her powers have to have full direct contact skin to skin, any layer separating seems to negate her ability. Sure she would feel a little isolation, but just in our history we have had many eras where people used clothing as a means to maintain a distance from others. And you absolutely can feel great level of both pleasure and pain through a small layer.

So to think she can be intimate or expressive with someone, just shows a severe lack of creativity, on her and her partners behalf.

Really kissing seems to be the problem, and we clearly see she can kiss, just not long makeout sessions. And we also know that through history people haven't always been overall expressive. Heck I think that kiss she gave bobby before she started draining him is, covers about 90% of the kissing I do as an adult. So it would be more just limiting the level of passion in that one type of touching.

2. Time Frame. Why would she assume that she can't ever learn to control her abilities. It isn't like she has been trying for years and years. I mean how long as she even been at Xavier's? I would guess total time less then a year. And we clearly see she can operate in society without any real problem. If she had been randomly causing near death experiences all over the place, I would understand. If she had been trying for years to control her ability I would understand.

If they had really addressed those issues better, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[stj]

^^^There's a level of visualization there I'm not sure I'm comfortable with. (That's a lie, I'm actually sure I'm not comfortable with it.) The issue highlights how comic book character don't actually have sex, gigantic breasts nothwithstanding and no matter how "adult" they supposedly are. The rampant sexuality is pretty much pure fantasy. Which is a comfort I suppose given the trend towards sadomasochism.

(Now that the issue has come up, do male heroes have bulging crotches? I don't remember them having them in the past, but I don't think I was looking, so I could be wrong.)

Lastly, mswood, just to nitpick: Shouldn't the fandom burn first, and only afterwards salt, to prevent anything growing back?

 

[mswood]

For ruining crops yes, but the quote is from Supernatural where you salt the bones, then burn them to destroy spirits.

 

[mswood]

And as for Rogue I wasn't really pushing the actual sex aspect (though again people all over engage in sex without (their parts touching, she (or her partner) would just need to have clothing on. And let me tell you, I've done that lots of times.

I was more talking about how Rogue could easily share almost all forms of touch (again kissing is the only one I am really aware of that would present a real problem).

Just saying using a fine layer of clothing would cut some sensations, but not all of them and not by a huge degree. She's a teen. SO holding hands, arms around the shoulders, touching another face (or them touching yours), playing sports or games, general touching pretty much anywhere. She's capable of doing that and still getting a lot of physical sensations from it. We see her at the mall, in crowds, going to school, it isn't like she's Bubble boy who has a barrier preventing others from having close contact with her.

And yeah, even the more intimate contact would absolutely be possible just takes a little precaution.

 

[Gaith]

Some of her gloves may have indeed looked suspiciously thin, but for the sort of non-brief/accidental contact required by all sorts of sensual activities, it's more likely than not that heavier material than mere nylons would be required to protect others.

 

[Silvercrest]

Yeah... I have a feeling that anything that thin, the "small layer" cited by mswood, wouldn't be enough to block her powers. I don't think the definition of the trigger for her power is simply defined as "skin to skin contact." If it were, she wouldn't be able to drain Colossus in his armored form at all (which she has been seen to do), and as I facetiously mentioned earlier, she wouldn't be able to easily drain Beast and Nightcrawler unless she found a gap in the fur.

No. I don't think it's that simple. I think anything that brings her into extremely close contact with another person will do it. This includes contacting their skin or outer layer (whatever it is), but it also includes contacting them through a thin layer of silk, nylon, spandex, etc. Basically, if she can make enough contact to feel great pain or pleasure, as mswood phrased it, she will probably start draining them. Anything that puts her in touch with the person's life-force, to put it metaphysically.

 

[Small White Car]

What makes Batman Forever a '3' movie?

Different director. Different star. Different art direction. Different tone. Well...I could go on.

I always thought there were 2 Burton films, 2 Schumacher films, and 2 Nolan films. I've never seen them as being linked together in one huge chain.

So why are we counting Forever as a '3?'

It's Alfred, isn't it? You're gonna link the universes 'cause of that one guy being in both of them? Is that it? Damn it, Alfred!

 

[JonnyQuest037]

What makes Batman Forever a '3' movie?

Different director. Different star. Different art direction. Different tone. Well...I could go on.

I always thought there were 2 Burton films, 2 Schumacher films, and 2 Nolan films. I've never seen them as being linked together in one huge chain.

So why are we counting Forever as a '3?'

It's Alfred, isn't it? You're gonna link the universes 'cause of that one guy being in both of them? Is that it? Damn it, Alfred!

Batman Forever also uses the same actor as Commissioner Gordon and refers to the history of the 2 Burton movies ("Or do I need skintight leather and a whip?"). And the only reason they cast Val Kilmer as Batman is because Michael Keaton chose to pass on the project. It's clearly supposed to be in the same continuity.

 

[auntiehill]

I'd go with Superman 3, but Batman Forever is a close second.

 

[Small White Car]

...refers to the history of the 2 Burton movies ("Or do I need skintight leather and a whip?")

All that shows is that catwoman exists in this universe too. Certainly believable and it doesn't prove anything.

Look, I'm not gonna let you ruin this for me.