• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

worst sci-fi TV series of post 1964

Just as a note, anything that wins Academy or Emmy's I really can't say is the "Worse" SF film/TV series since 1964, as there are plenty of really crappy shows and movies out there.

Although when it comes to Academy Awards, especially back in the old days, science fiction flicks tend to only win for special effects or make-up, not writing or directing or acting.

So it's possible for a really dumb, much-despised sf movie to be an Oscar winner if it has some Award-worthy effects . . .
 
Although when it comes to Academy Awards, especially back in the old days, science fiction flicks tend to only win for special effects or make-up, not writing or directing or acting.

Which is also true of the Academy today, and the Emmys. When I noted that nuBSG is a multiple Emmy winning series - which it is - it won entirely in technical categories.
 
Although when it comes to Academy Awards, especially back in the old days, science fiction flicks tend to only win for special effects or make-up, not writing or directing or acting.

Which is also true of the Academy today, and the Emmys. When I noted that nuBSG is a multiple Emmy winning series - which it is - it won entirely in technical categories.


Ditto for Star Trek: The Next Generation, for that matter.
 
While you are absolute correct about the Logan's Run series sucking big time, I'm afraid you are entirely incorrect about the 1976 film version of Logan's Run on the whole.

The 1976 MGM production not only had an excellent storyline,
No it didn't. It had a very superficial storyline that bore only a passing resemblance to the excellent storyline of the book.

And not even the presence of Peter Ustinov could offset the ill-cast clinkers in the cast like Farrah Fawcett, who apparently had yet to take her first acting lesson. And Roscoe Lee Brown's awesome talent, and even more awesome voice, didn't come off so good in that horrifically bad costume they put him in.

Speaking as a big Goldsmith fan... the Logan's Run soundtrack is so unmemorable that I couldn't hum a single bar of any of the themes if my life depended on it.

I can't imagine how, beyond the somewhat clever use of real holograms, the film featured some of the crappiest miniature work I'd ever seen, terrible wire rig flying effects, and probably the worst robot costumes to hit the silver screen outside of the old movie serials of the 40s and 50s.

Plenty of crappy movies do well at the box office.

Bottom line is this. The movie version is definately superior to the piece of childish crap that the 1977 television series represented.
Superior to the TV version? Yes, I already admitted as much. It does indeed blow slightly fewer goats than it's television incarnation. It nevertheless blows worse than any of the other SF&F films that came out that year.

1. Do you feel that way about the performances that Michael York, the late Richard Jordan, and Jenny Agutter gave in the Oscar-winning film? If so, you're as blind as a fucking bat! Especially when it comes to Jenny Agutter!
If you can watch this clip and still claim that York or Agutter turns in a decent performance, it is you who is blind, and deaf. Agutter's delivery seriously sucks.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpYID07JqIM&feature=related[/yt]

The late, great Gene Siskel gave the movie no stars and called it "the worst major motion picture in seven years of reviewing films." He also cited what he believed to be "cheap special effects" and more importantly "terrible performances with the exception of Peter Ustinov, whose cameo is expanded to a ridiculous length because he is the only decent thing in the movie."

I agree with him. The performances of the three leads was passable at best (Jordan being the best of the bunch) Agutter's performance was awful, and only made tolerable by the way she filled out that flimsy semi-transparent costume she wore.

2.What the hell is so bad about the outfit that Roscoe Lee Browne wore, when he played BOX? Sure it looked like a rolling vanity mirror, but it still looked cool.
No. It did not. It looked incredibly stupid, which is the very antithesis of cool. It was but a slight step up from the space-helmeted-ape robot in "Robot Monster" (1953)

robot-monster_319.jpg


3. Aside from Futureworld and King Kong, I don't know of any other SF and F film that was released in 1976. But if Logan's Run blew worse, then how do you explain its huge success at the box office and winning two Academy Awards?
Aside from Futureworld and King Kong (both of which are vastly superior to "Logan's Life Iin the Disco Mall", there was also amazing "The Man Who Fell to Earth", the abysmal "Food of the Gods" and the ridiculous "Rollerbabies". As well as "At the Earth's Core", "Track of the Moon-Beast", "Doomsday Machine", "Embryo", "The Astral Factor", "Ape" a cheap Kong knockoff, and a whole shitload of others.

How do I explain its success? Simple... there are plenty of stupid people in the world. Success and quality are often mutually exclusive concepts. Were that not the case, we'd have to accept that "Dancin' with the Stars" was the damn-near the pinnacle of human artistic achievement.

And as for winning 2 academy Awards? Well, first of all, I've checked multiple sources, and it seems that the film only got ONE Academy Award. It was actually nominated for three awards, but lost awards for cinematography and art direction to to "Bound for Glory" and "All the President's Men" respectively. And its sole Academy Award win for "Special Achievement in visual effects" was, as I suggested earlier, strictly for the innovation of being the first film to feature actual holograms.
 
Last edited:
V - think I managed two episodes
Dollhouse - liked unaired pilot, but after watching inferior transmitted version, gave up.
Lost In Space pilot - ok, I know not aired series, but even worse than film...

Never seen Logan's Run TV series but watched film on TV recently and distinctly underwhelmed. Though the over-arching youth/euthanasia theme intriguing...
 
LOGAN'S RUN is fondly remembered by fans of a certain age, because it was the big sci-fi spectacular during the lean years between PLANET OF THE APES and STAR WARS. It was colorful and exciting and sexy. Plus, it was a good excuse to run around science fiction conventions shouting "Freeze, Runner!"

(I'm old enough to remember when LOGAN'S RUN costumes were still fashionable. And, yes, I miss the diaphanous green miniskirts.)

But, nostalgia aside, it hasn't aged well--and is way overdue for a remake.
 
Lost In Space pilot - ok, I know not aired series, but even worse than film...

At least the nuBSG folks were able to salvage the LIS sets for use as the Pegasus interiors. Added some nice production value to the series...

I remember reading that when researching pilot (admit am more a John Woo fan than LIS). Proves old adage of silver linings :)
 
No it didn't. It had a very superficial storyline that bore only a passing resemblance to the excellent storyline of the book.

And not even the presence of Peter Ustinov could offset the ill-cast clinkers in the cast like Farrah Fawcett, who apparently had yet to take her first acting lesson. And Roscoe Lee Brown's awesome talent, and even more awesome voice, didn't come off so good in that horrifically bad costume they put him in.

Speaking as a big Goldsmith fan... the Logan's Run soundtrack is so unmemorable that I couldn't hum a single bar of any of the themes if my life depended on it.

I can't imagine how, beyond the somewhat clever use of real holograms, the film featured some of the crappiest miniature work I'd ever seen, terrible wire rig flying effects, and probably the worst robot costumes to hit the silver screen outside of the old movie serials of the 40s and 50s.

Plenty of crappy movies do well at the box office.

Superior to the TV version? Yes, I already admitted as much. It does indeed blow slightly fewer goats than it's television incarnation. It nevertheless blows worse than any of the other SF&F films that came out that year.

1. Do you feel that way about the performances that Michael York, the late Richard Jordan, and Jenny Agutter gave in the Oscar-winning film? If so, you're as blind as a fucking bat! Especially when it comes to Jenny Agutter!
If you can watch this clip and still claim that York or Agutter turns in a decent performance, it is you who is blind, and deaf. Agutter's delivery seriously sucks.






The late, great Gene Siskel gave the movie no stars and called it "the worst major motion picture in seven years of reviewing films." He also cited what he believed to be "cheap special effects" and more importantly "terrible performances with the exception of Peter Ustinov, whose cameo is expanded to a ridiculous length because he is the only decent thing in the movie."

I agree with him. The performances of the three leads was passable at best (Jordan being the best of the bunch) Agutter's performance was awful, and only made tolerable by the way she filled out that flimsy semi-transparent costume she wore.

2.What the hell is so bad about the outfit that Roscoe Lee Browne wore, when he played BOX? Sure it looked like a rolling vanity mirror, but it still looked cool.
No. It did not. It looked incredibly stupid, which is the very antithesis of cool. It was but a slight step up from the space-helmeted-ape robot in "Robot Monster" (1953)

robot-monster_319.jpg


3. Aside from Futureworld and King Kong, I don't know of any other SF and F film that was released in 1976. But if Logan's Run blew worse, then how do you explain its huge success at the box office and winning two Academy Awards?
Aside from Futureworld and King Kong (both of which are vastly superior to "Logan's Life Iin the Disco Mall", there was also amazing "The Man Who Fell to Earth", the abysmal "Food of the Gods" and the ridiculous "Rollerbabies". As well as "At the Earth's Core", "Track of the Moon-Beast", "Doomsday Machine", "Embryo", "The Astral Factor", "Ape" a cheap Kong knockoff, and a whole shitload of others.

How do I explain its success? Simple... there are plenty of stupid people in the world. Success and quality are often mutually exclusive concepts. Were that not the case, we'd have to accept that "Dancin' with the Stars" was the damn-near the pinnacle of human artistic achievement.

And as for winning 2 academy Awards? Well, first of all, I've checked multiple sources, and it seems that the film only got ONE Academy Award. It was actually nominated for three awards, but lost awards for cinematography and art direction to to "Bound for Glory" and "All the President's Men" respectively. And its sole Academy Award win for "Special Achievement in visual effects" was, as I suggested earlier, strictly for the innovation of being the first film to feature actual holograms.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that people who have watched the 1976 MGM film are stupid, as you so bluntly and rudely put it. There are people who like it and there are people who are fans of it. As Michael York stated in his autobiography, "it touched a youthful nerve." It is a film that has withstood the test of time and has a serious social commentary that is certainly relevant in today's world.

If you don't like the film(for whatever reasons you have), then don't watch it.

Unlike some people, I stand corrected in the error on my part and the misinformation about the second award being that of an Oscar. The second award was from the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films(USA).

It might interest you to know that Michael York, Jenny Agutter, and Peter Ustinov, are classically trained British actors. They did an excellent job with the material they had been given. If director Michael Anderson had a problem with their performances, then he would have had them replaced.

Equating the BOX costume with that robot ape outfit is definately a load of bullshit. Despite its 'vanity mirror' quality, I think the design and look of BOX's outfit was cool. I don't know where you see the comparison in quality between that and that godawful robotape outfit.

I'll even go up to bat for the film and say this.

1. Peter Ustinov should have been nominated, let alone won an award for his performance as the Old Man. Be it an Oscar, Golden Globe, or one from the aforementioned Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Films(USA). He did an excellent job.

2. Given a choice between this film and Star Wars, I'll take Logan's Run any day of the week. Why? Because it had a serious commentary to make. For a PG rated film in 1976(which was nearly rated R)that pushed the boundaries in terms of violence and adult subject matter, that says quite a lot.

You doubt my word? Then read this interview with Michael York and then decide for yourself.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/102895/the_den_of_geek_interview_michael_york.html
 
Last edited:
I barely remember it now, but when it premiered I really hated "Harsh Realm". It probably isn't the worst ever but knowing it was from the man behind "The X-Files" made it look especially disappointing - though The X-Files itself would go downhill not long after, if I recall correctly.
 
LOGAN'S RUN is fondly remembered by fans of a certain age, because it was the big sci-fi spectacular during the lean years between PLANET OF THE APES and STAR WARS. It was colorful and exciting and sexy. Plus, it was a good excuse to run around science fiction conventions shouting "Freeze, Runner!"

(I'm old enough to remember when LOGAN'S RUN costumes were still fashionable. And, yes, I miss the diaphanous green miniskirts.)

But, nostalgia aside, it hasn't aged well--and is way overdue for a remake.

Actually, Greg the phrase used by the Sandmen was "RUN, RUNNER!"

All that aside, I think it has withstood the test of time. It should be left alone. Technically, it was remade once(a year later, actually), as that crappy television series. Something that should never have happened.

The 1976 MGM film is fine the way it is. Warner Brothers, or whatever studio it is, should just leave it be(i.e. abandon any ideas on the remake and focus more on original material).
 
^
The film was an adaption of a novel, and, if chardman is to be believed, hardly a faithful one. I don't think that qualifies as 'original material'.

It might interest you to know that Michael York, Jenny Agutter, and Peter Ustinov, are classically trained British actors.
So are like, a lot of British actors. In fact you may want to be more specific by what you mean in 'classically trained' (The Newcomers is classic repetoire now?).

I'm pretty sure every other TV show I could tune into on the BBC this week has 'classically trained British actors'. I guess over here they're just actors. Training aside, the existence of such neither means they give only good performances (honestly Laurence Olivier can be a bit of a ham) or appear in only good movies (Inchon, heyooo).
 
It might interest you to know that Michael York, Jenny Agutter, and Peter Ustinov, are classically trained British actors.
"Classically-trained" I think is meant to suggest that actors have done Greek/Jacobean/Shakespeare/Restoration, at least in rep if not at least in stage school. Which not all British actors have. Probable that actors like York, Agutter and Ustinov have done one or more of these (can't be bothered to google at this point). But increasingly rare nowadays...

It's funny seeing the truly "classically-trained" like Olivier and Smith in original Clash of Titans, and Dame Judi in Chronicles of Riddick, and thinking: you're just slumming it...

(and before anyone mentions Sir Patrick...he's a whole other story...)
 
Well, fuck, I've done Shakespeare (twice!). I guess by Expo's logic, I'm above criticism. :rolleyes:
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top