Worst DS9 Episode?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by mike2363, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Savage Dragon

    Savage Dragon Your Savage Overlord Moderator

    Apr 27, 2001
    Ottawa, ON
    I haven't watched DS9 in years but Move Along Home is the one that immediately jumps out at me too. I'm hoping to start a re-watch in a few months so maybe I'll end up having a different opinion of it now.
  2. Fleet Captain Garland

    Fleet Captain Garland Ensign Newbie

    Mar 12, 2017
    Move Along Home...awful
  3. rcjames

    rcjames Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Mar 8, 2017
    Its pretty universal that episodes like Move Along Home and the Ferengi episodes, especially Profit and Lace are perfect examples as some of the worst DS9 had to offer. My outside the box episode is Hard Time. It has a very interesting concept but i always had a lot of difficulty watching it. It may not be the worst but for me it was up there.
  4. I am not Spock

    I am not Spock Commodore Commodore

    Dec 2, 2001
    Some of the Ferengi comedy episodes were dire. But then, some were quite good. I liked Little Green Men, and The Magnificent Ferengi. And some of the more dramatic Quark episodes were good. I enjoyed Business as Usual, and Body Parts
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  5. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 1, 2017
    What is so bad about Move Along Home?

    Is it the hopscotch scene?


    Okay. It's a liiitle bit silly, but There's some good stuff in this episode. I much prefer over some other Season 1 episodes, like:
    Babel -the one where everybody starts talking crazy
    Captive Pursuit -the one where O'Brien gets a Gamma quadrant pet ...I mean friend.
    Q-Less -...
    Battle Lines -An awful, awful end to Kai Opaka's story
    The season 2 episode Sanctuary

    Move Along Home
    has some great character development. In the beginning, everyone is getting ready for a "first contact. The most important thing ever." They get all dressed up in their Class A's and await this new gamma quadrant race, only to have their expectations subverted.

    The Wadi don't care about Starfleet's silly formalities. They wanna know where the casinos are at! We get to learn a lot about quark in this episode. Yes, he cheats, like any responsible gambling house, but we learn he also has a conscience. He doesn't want to see anyone get hurt. There's that great scene where he begs on he's knees doing that Ferengi prayer thing with his hands. "Please...PLEASE!!" The Wadi guy just shrugs and says "Okay, we'll just let the game choose randomly." Odo face palms. It's great stuff!

    It's also DS9's first holodeck episode, and took a rather creative approach to it.
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  6. Jacob Bos

    Jacob Bos Ensign Red Shirt

    Nov 30, 2016
    Ontario, Canada
    The very first episode is my least favourite. The pace was too slow for me, and the scenes with the prophets seemed to drag on.
  7. Prax

    Prax Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 1, 2017
    Is that linear?
    That is not linear...

    You think in such 3 dimensional terms.:biggrin:
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  8. Joshua C.

    Joshua C. Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jan 4, 2017

    Aggressive. Adversarial.
    But seriously, our first look at Wolf 359, with Captain Martok/Bolian, the creepy new station, Picard vs Sisko... You must be joking, right? There's worse pacing and prophets in vastly inferior eps.
  9. rcjames

    rcjames Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Mar 8, 2017
    I agree that those scene with Sisko and the prophets drag and are the weakest part of the episode, but apart from that I love The Emissary.
  10. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Mar 2, 2017
    Noticing some episodes that are most mentioned on this list...

    "MOVE ALONG HOME" - I really liked the concept. The execution was lacking, but I don't think it was as terrible as people say. It DOES feel like a TNG episode, though, so in that regard it definitely felt off.

    "THE STORYTELLER" - I have to give this one a mulligan for two reasons. First, it had some good Jake/Nog scenes. Second, it was basically the birthplace of the O'Brien/Bashir friendship, one of my favorite aspects of the series.

    "IF WISHES WERE HORSES" - Just like "MOVE ALONG HOME", this felt more like a TNG episode. I still enjoyed it a lot.

    "THE FORSAKEN" - Not a great episode by any means, but it fid have its charms. The wig part of the turbolift scene was well done. One thing that did bother me was that we never saw or heard anything about PUP again.

    "MELORA" - This WAS a very predictable episode, and felt like it dragged. I didn't care for it much.

    "SANCTUARY" - I give this a mulligan for one reason... it was the first true failure of the Universal Translator shown.

    "MERIDIAN" - Definitely agree, bad episode. Only saving grace... Jeffrey Combs' first STAR TREK appearance.

    "HEART OF STONE" - One saving grace... the Nog storyline.

    "THE MUSE" - Interesting idea, a Creativity Vampire. Other than that concept, can't really defend it.

    "THE QUICKENING" - Great Bashir episode, and shows just how despicable the Dominion can be.

    "LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN..." - The ONLY thing I can say about this episode... nice look into Worf's childhood, which explains a lot of his rigidity.

    "VALIANT" - I liked the idea, and thought it was well done. A shame to lose a Defiant class ship, though.

    "PROFIT AND LACE" - Absolutely NO redeeming value to this episode. Very worst of the series, in my opinion. Possibly of the franchise.

    "TAKE ME OUT TO THE HOLOSUITE" - Not a big fan of the episode, but it was a fun use of all virtually all characters.

    "COVENANT" - Acting wise, good episode. I like the attempt at seeing things from the perspective of a cult.

    "PRODIGAL DAUGHTER" - Seemed to drag through the entire episode.

    "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOAK" - Terrible end to the Mirror Universe outings.

    "FIELD OF FIRE" - Hard to find any good in this episode, though it was an interesting idea to see Ezri have an imaginary person helping her solve a crime.
  11. Joshua C.

    Joshua C. Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jan 4, 2017
    Field of Fire was one of the few times Dax was interesting, and probably the only time Ezra was. The idea is fun, and I'm glad they had the guts to make a twisted host part of the Dax history. Also, that rifle was wicked, and I loved the killer's last words.
  12. SSOASS

    SSOASS Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jan 23, 2013

    I liked a few of these more than you. I really liked TakeMe Out ... I also think Field of Fire, Covenant, Storyteller and Valiant were solid .. beyond that I think you pretty much nailed it.

    But beyond Come Along Home and Wishes .. all the others are watchable/even a cool moment or two to make it worthwhile.
  13. jmiller

    jmiller Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Jan 19, 2013
    Charleston, SC
    Top (or bottom 5) in no particular order:

    Move Along Home
    The Muse
    Let He Who is Without Sin (worst of the worst)

    Other bad ones are Time's Orphan and Chrysalis. Surprisingly, I didn't hate P&L enough to include on this list.
  14. Voth commando1

    Voth commando1 Commodore Commodore

    Oct 4, 2016
    In a sub-sub atomic universe with kittens
    Meridian isn't too bad the romance is the most bearable part.

    Fascination could have been handled better-what happens when all the crew's subconscious feelings and urges are brought to the open-interesting idea
  15. Trek Survivor

    Trek Survivor Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 12, 2009
    Definitely something from season six or seven. The one with Sisko unveiled as "part-prophet" is a low point for sure.

    Can't believe somebody said "Emissary"... this is one of the BEST episodes of DS9 in my opinion!
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  16. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

    Dec 15, 2015
    I have to say, "Profit And Lace" fascinates me today... in a dark, unsettling way. Like the way I'm fascinated by "Code Of Honor", or 80's teen sex comedies that treat drugging girls as just a wacky way to get laid, or the racist crows in Pinocchio, or outrageous "Oriental" villains in early Batman comics. It's illuminating to consider the power structure that at all levels just waves this through and thinks it's perfectly well suited for mainstream American society of the mid 90's.

    I feel like one of it's most gross details is one that I don't often see remarked upon (of course, the episode is so full of gross details, it's hard to focus on any one in particular) -- that it opens with Quark explicitly extorting sex from a woman by threatening her livelihood, played as a fun sex game that she's ultimately really into. Sickening. It's hard to even get past that scene.
  17. Joshua C.

    Joshua C. Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jan 4, 2017
    Well put, Sakonna! There are some really creepy things in our culture. I accidentally saw a few minutes of some trash film the other day, in which a father has to beat up another man in order to impress his son, who is looking on with glee at the impending beating. Great values! That's partly why ratings are so bogus. Even a show that is rated acceptable for young people is likely to be riddled with disgusting implications and horrendous life lessons.

    As for 80's comedies, wasn't there a scene in Revenge of the Nerds where the "hero" basically rapes somebody? How are there no standards other than language/violence/nudity being applied? Some movies should be NC-17 just for having ideas about the world and how to treat each other that a stupid person wouldn't question.

    I'd argue that having Quark be scum is acceptable character development/revelation, but it does sound like an inexcusable scene. (I forget this ep because I remember hating it...so I never watch it).

    Also, pretty sure them racist crows were in Dumbo. Weren't they the ones saying "I've seen a house fly!" "I saw a dragon fly!" "I never seen an elephant fly!" Last time I saw Dumbo, I didn't even get the offensive stereotypes, much less the pink elephants.
  18. rocketdave

    rocketdave Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Apr 19, 2012
    Just last month I rewatched Dumbo for the first time since I was a kid. All the other times I saw it, I was too little to see anything untoward about the depiction of the crows in that movie, and honestly, now that I've seen it as an adult, I don't see them as anything to get that worked up about. They're black so they can't sound black? Granted, it's fairly lazy to have them speak in that stereotypical way, but they're not really offensive stereotypes- I mean, they prove to be nice and helpful characters. There are way more cringeworthy examples of racism in cartoons than the crows in Dumbo.

    I actually also recently rewatched Sixteen Candles for the first time in decades, but unlike Dumbo, I found it to be not as good as I remembered and a lot more problematic for various reasons: the implication of date rape, Dong, etc. On the other hand, the aforementioned scene in Revenge of the Nerds always unsettled me (I also questioned how Robert Carradine's lovemaking abilities could be that amazing when he doesn't even take his helmet off during the act).
  19. Peach Wookiee

    Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Moderator

    May 12, 2001
    Peach Wookiee
    I admit I watched Dumbo and figured out how Disney would recast the crows using African-American comedians... the dialogue would be tweaked for modern sensibilities, of course.
  20. JeffinOakland

    JeffinOakland Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Aug 17, 2014
    Oakland, CA
    The episodes in Season 7 that waste time trying to establish the Ezri Dax character less than a season before the end of the entire series.
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