Adric not addicted, and yeah I know...whether she voted or not, she would likely remember Saxon.
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Adric not addicted, and yeah I know...whether she voted or not, she would likely remember Saxon.
DenofGeek has a new trailer up:
Simm and Missy appear to be fighting the Cybermen alongside the Doctor, whose hand is bandaged up. In another shot, he takes Missy's hand and his is NOT bandaged, but it looks like regeneration energy flares up - either he's healing her like he did with River, or it's a sign he's already regenerating... Missy looks shocked so it could be the latter.
Going off the description, I think the healing is as likely if not more. Am almost willing to bet Simm Master is more grey...he basically went good at the end of..well, the End Of Time. Hell Bent/Heaven Sent is a confusing set up, as from a neutral standpoint, what did Missy actually do? Bring a bunch of people back from the dead? Try to rule the earth? Doesn't the Doctor do that now?
I think there's a long game at play, and a lot of it depends on people's assumptions about the Master and the black and white morality of a fairy tale.
Given the betting odds at the moment, I think Chibnalls season is going to try something interesting, and Moffat is doing something very interesting to set it up this season. Every episode this year has been in a moral grey zone when you scratch the surface. Colonial goodies, colonial baddies....these people killed your family, now pay them rent to live with them, they don't remember doing it...consent and action lead to bad things if you don't take responsibility for your choices and actions...the idea of a good person who looks after things is as important whether or not they actually existed, the important thing is living up to that ideal - contrasted with absolute faith in scientific explanation of all reality leading to the death of humanity. Monsters aren't just monsters, they start as people making choices from their own viewpoint - and good people will make selfish choices, but what makes that bad? When does it start becoming the act of something monstrous, something terrible? Something to fight? When is a monster not a monster? (Answer...when it's a fish. And other things.)
Moffat has really done a good job of using two sides of the coin this year.
That was awesome. I mean I understand some of the issues people have raised, and I'm not sure how much actual story there was there, but what we ended up with was so well put together. The hospital has to be one of the creepiest things modern Who has done, and the "pain, pain, pain" volume control bits were...eeek!
Slightly disappointed that it actually took me a while before I realised Mr Razor was Simm! Oh man how I wish Simm's role had been obfuscated somehow, I know it's the BBC and Moffat likely had no say in it but just imagine if you hadn't known he was in it? Same with the Modasian cybermen, although less of an issue because it'd be quite clear what they were fairly early on (though I guess you might think they were more modern metal cybermen).
Interestingly Love Film, quite randomly, sent me The Tenth Planet late last week, how's that for timing (only 2 episodes in so far.)
Only two problems for next week really. The first is that I fear it won't live up to this part, and secondly I'm on holiday in Greece so likelihood of me being able to see the episode until I get home is exceptionally slim!!
Slightly disappointed that it actually took me a while before I realised Mr Razor was Simm! Oh man how I wish Simm's role had been obfuscated somehow, I know it's the BBC and Moffat likely had no say in it but just imagine if you hadn't known he was in it? Same with the Modasian cybermen, although less of an issue because it'd be quite clear what they were fairly early on (though I guess you might think they were more modern metal cybermen).
Interestingly Love Film, quite randomly, sent me The Tenth Planet late last week, how's that for timing (only 2 episodes in so far.)
Only two problems for next week really. The first is that I fear it won't live up to this part, and secondly I'm on holiday in Greece so likelihood of me being able to see the episode until I get home is exceptionally slim!!
Good point. Missy has made several comments about good and evil being more relative from her perspective. But I am reminded of what the Master says in this episode about being concerned about his future. I took the comment to mean that he is concerned that Missy, his future self, is becoming too good or might actually succumb to the Doctor's efforts and become good. The Master is trying to keep his future self on the straight and narrow "evil" path.
Hmm, just rewatched on a better screen and I may be wrong about the hand holding bit - could be background lighting.
I watched the Big Bang on an iPod touch, via a vpn, in a bar, during the England Germany match, under a table, on a distant island, many moons ago.
You will find a way. XD
The Master was already on that path when he raised arms against rassilon. XD
Notice how the trailer literally has the Doctor talking about the side is he on being where he stands, and where he stands he falls....the relativity is already surfacing, and it looks like Missy is going to adjust her relative viewpoint. I personally suspect the Simm Master will as well, and it's going to take a long time, possibly setting up events already seen in Hell Bent/Heaven sent along the way as well.
the Simm Master had the drums in his head until the link was broken in the end of time. the Simm master and thereby Missy now should be free of that plot point, and maybe coming back to sanity. by extension the Doctor knows what drove his friend insane, and feels sorry for her/him.
Maybe not "good" at all, just more pissed off at Rassilon than the Doctor after finding out what Rassy did to him.
Been wondering that myself. After the Master attacked Rassilon and the Doctor destroyed that machine, the drums should be gone now. I know we got the sound-of-drums effect when the Master was revealed last week and I don't think Missy has ever mentioned the drums.
I was thinking this through today and one of the first things Missy said to the Doctor in Dark Water was that he "abandoned" her. If Simm was on Gallifrey until it sent the message in Time of the Doctor, then 300 years passed for Eleven during/between his adventures with Amy/Rory/River. Then he "finds" Gallifrey, or rather the crack leading to it, on Trenzalore... But he doesn't free the Time Lords (or, more importantly to the Master, him)... He waits 900 years because of his bleeding heart about setting the Time War off again.
So the Master feels like the Doctor left him to rot for 1200 years, perhaps not even knowing if he could survive in his half-restored state... If he expected his "friend" to try and save him, then no wonder he felt abandoned... And still hateful of the Doctor's prioritising of "lessers" over their friendship, despite the lack of drumming.
Of course, this depends how literally we take the "frozen in a single moment" idea from Day of the Doctor - were the Time Lords "frozen" ie it shouldn't matter how long the Doctor takes to find them, or are they not - and the fact they could send and receive messages through the crack implies they weren't?
So the Master feels like the Doctor left him to rot for 1200 years, perhaps not even knowing if he could survive in his half-restored state... If he expected his "friend" to try and save him, then no wonder he felt abandoned... And still hateful of the Doctor's prioritising of "lessers" over their friendship, despite the lack of drumming.
Of course, this depends how literally we take the "frozen in a single moment" idea from Day of the Doctor - were the Time Lords "frozen" ie it shouldn't matter how long the Doctor takes to find them, or are they not - and the fact they could send and receive messages through the crack implies they weren't?
The time lines being orderly SEEMS to only require that you meet every one, and do everything in a linear order, not that you match everything/one minute for minute.
Note how Sarah Jane only aged 25 years, while the doctor had aged... Half a millennium since he was 4, depending on which reference you think isn't a lie.
Note how Sarah Jane only aged 25 years, while the doctor had aged... Half a millennium since he was 4, depending on which reference you think isn't a lie.
One could also perceive a meta-textual undertone; the Master of the Davies era worried about the way the programme goes with Moffat in charge.
I know this is one of those "best not overthink it things" but out of curiosity, wasn't there a line somewhere in the early 11th Doctor/Pond episodes that implied the events of Stolen Earth and by implication, most of the world changing events of 9 & 10's run (ghost cybermen/Canary wharf, giant cyberman in Victorian London, Sontaum car fumes thing, giant titanic replica spaceship, the Master possessing everyone's bodies (Bill included, presumably) etc.) erased from history by the crack in reality? Come to think of it it might have been something to do with the Pandorica/Big Bang universe being rebooted situation.
I suppose what I'm getting at is if those events, or even just the memory of them has been erased, how would Bill recognise the Master as Saxon?
I suppose what I'm getting at is if those events, or even just the memory of them has been erased, how would Bill recognise the Master as Saxon?
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Because the Universe got rebooted after all that stuff with the Pandorica.
Earlier Amy didn't know what a Dalek was.
(Donna missed a lot of invasions too.)
TPTB forgot to connect the dots.
The cracks in time must have eaten the invasion somehow.
Or distracted the Daleks, putting off their timetable, once they started noticing the cracks eating the universe, before they could destroy the universe themselves with their multiplanet engine.
Earlier Amy didn't know what a Dalek was.
(Donna missed a lot of invasions too.)
TPTB forgot to connect the dots.
The cracks in time must have eaten the invasion somehow.
Or distracted the Daleks, putting off their timetable, once they started noticing the cracks eating the universe, before they could destroy the universe themselves with their multiplanet engine.
It's always pot-luck figuring out if something from a few series ago has still happened or if we're supposed to assume it has been overwritten (we didn't have a male monarch or £5 coins in the 1990s, for instance).
Another element in this is that Saxon gives Macron a run for his money. He is said to only be on Earth for about eighteen months before The Sound of Drums and his premiership lasts barely a week before Lucy shoots him.
I suppose it comes down to how politically aware Potts it. She would have been slightly too young to vote when Saxon took office.
The Last of the Time Lords is four days from its tin anniversary.
People would remember a Prime Minister who killed his cabinet, the US President and was then shot by his wife, I guess. 
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