Sadly, that's not the case. For the most part, there was very little going on. There was the setup at the beginning with a flashback. Then, literally just a lot of time passes by for Bill. Marking time until the various reveals. Not much actual story going on in the middle.
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Missy turned the Brig into a Cyberman, and got a thumbs up.
Missy turned Clara (it took me ten seconds to remember name) into a Dalek and... Almost tricked the Doctor into killing her... Actually if Clara was a Dalek and Danny was a Cyberman, that's fricking starcrossed!
(I keep accidentally typing Cyderman. "Do you want a beer?" "No thank you, I'm a cider-man.")
The Master turns Bill into a Cyberman, and it's the end of the world.
Is this a sexist double standard?
The Doctor's adventures with Bill glommed together have been a few weeks, plus all those months waiting under Monk rule semibrainwashed...
The Master has been her best friend for maybe 15 years.
Unless he hasn't.
Hypnosis, brainwashing, and finally after there's a computer in her head, programming to retroactively have made him seem constantly with her for over a decade being attentive and... Well, being a bit of a prick, but constantly present.
She may have imagined that he was always been there, keeping her company, because the Master tricked Bill into believing false memories.
So these two best friends might not have spent nearly as much time together as Bill thinks that they did.
Bill hasn't had sex for 15 years?
(Grumpy nurse?)
It's almost possible that the Master went back to her childhood and made sure that Bill was going to be a lesbian eventually so that when he spent nearly two decades in close quarters with the woman, the Master did not have to worry about wandering hands.
Missy turned Clara (it took me ten seconds to remember name) into a Dalek and... Almost tricked the Doctor into killing her... Actually if Clara was a Dalek and Danny was a Cyberman, that's fricking starcrossed!
(I keep accidentally typing Cyderman. "Do you want a beer?" "No thank you, I'm a cider-man.")
The Master turns Bill into a Cyberman, and it's the end of the world.
Is this a sexist double standard?
The Doctor's adventures with Bill glommed together have been a few weeks, plus all those months waiting under Monk rule semibrainwashed...
The Master has been her best friend for maybe 15 years.
Unless he hasn't.
Hypnosis, brainwashing, and finally after there's a computer in her head, programming to retroactively have made him seem constantly with her for over a decade being attentive and... Well, being a bit of a prick, but constantly present.
She may have imagined that he was always been there, keeping her company, because the Master tricked Bill into believing false memories.
So these two best friends might not have spent nearly as much time together as Bill thinks that they did.Bill hasn't had sex for 15 years?
(Grumpy nurse?)
It's almost possible that the Master went back to her childhood and made sure that Bill was going to be a lesbian eventually so that when he spent nearly two decades in close quarters with the woman, the Master did not have to worry about wandering hands.
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Why is that in doubt?
Because how Time Lords are portrayed as thinking they are above lower life forms in terns of relationships and stuff.
The Doctor and River banging, retroactively opened the door on that, which was cracked by the Master making out with his wife, which is a causality loop.
Besides, do you really think that Leela would marry some dude with no sex drive?
Besides, do you really think that Leela would marry some dude with no sex drive?
OMG I had forgotten about her and Andred till now.
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. Personally that's the only time I think it works. Almost every other time it just feels too self-referential, even worse than the Star Trek reference in First Contact.
"Wait you're astronauts on some kind of star trek"
Actually that line got a lot of laughs when we saw First Contact to a sold out theatre back in 1996 even the cosplayers done up as borg laughed.
Based on certain things being used in Trailers, I have safe money on Nardole possibly being something like the Doctors Watcher, and it's even more shadowed by Missy being in a position to act as Watcher to her own incarnation. This doesn't necessarily mean Lucas is gonna be the next Doctor mind you. But the Watcher thing is gonna come up...possibly with 14 (or 12 if you prefer...) being Watcher to 1 retroactively.
But wasn't the only other time we saw a Watcher in Logopolis? And then it had no speaking part and was wrapped like a mummy.
This is one of those times where I think the long memories of classic Who fans help...The Master (who is also missy) has also helped the Doctor almost as often as he has tried to kill him...and the reverse is also true....the Doctor has almost killed the Master several times. They are balanced...you can even argue the Doctor is as megalomaniacal as the Master...they both want the universe to run to their rules, they both cause deaths, the Master is just a bit different and blasé about it. The Doctor has literally ruled the earth in about half a dozen episodes lately, one of the Masters occasional habits. This recent episode draws attention to this....the Master is apparently to the cybermen as the Doctor is to the Daleks...there at the beginning, could possibly prevent their very being, and makes a choice not to intervene, for personal motivations. He just doesn't give a speech about it so we don't know why he makes that choice. For all we know, he just wants to help the Mondasians survive to thrive throughout the Galaxy, maybe they are his pet species as much as Terrans are the Doctors. We don't know. Both renegade Time Lords see themselves as above the rest of the universe, even above their own kind...it's all in how they act that changes things. This is something that is increasingly true in recent years. Maybe the Master is simply what the Doctor becomes without friends or, more pertinently, family (The Doctor has Susan at the beginning...we have never seen the Master with anyone, and the Master is only truly violently brutal after he becomes someone fighting for their very survival.)
I actually think the key Master figure is the Ainley Master, particularly his actions regarding Ravolox, his actions in Survival, and his quiet behaviour in The Five Doctors. Balanced between the Delgado Master and the modern incarnations tormented figures, (don't forget the self-sacrifice and the revelations around the post-hypnotic stuff in The End of Time.) it becomes apparent that the two characters are very much alike, and both very much a product of what has happened to them...including being screwed with by political forces on gallifrey.
Cho-Je to the Tibetan monk timelord in Planet of the Spiders...and 3 is very much a big influence on 14, right down to the circumstances leading to his death...arrogance, putting a friend in danger through that arrogance or as a result of actions made in arrogance. (Something which has been toyed with throughout this Doctors tenure. Look at Davros.)
And yes...a faceless Watcher because the Doctors subconscious wasn't very good at projection. But have we seen any similar images lately?
The logopolis one turns up very prominently in the recent regeneration trailers put up on YouTube too.
Well. With those on his resume, why would he need archangel to get voted in as Prime Minister? Addicted alone should get him our vote...the opportunity for the existence of all human life on earth is just a bonus surely.
Isn't Nardole's chassis all the technololgy necessary to make a biocybernetic life-form capable of surviving in any environment, without going down the road to soulless zombieness?
Yes, Nardol is not a super soldier, but that's just because no one was trying to make a super soldier when they put him together, but it's definitely more advanced than a Mondasian Cyberman, and the same tech that a super soldier would be made out of.
Remember when Clara met the Cybermen on that 6 flags planet?
Those Cybermen were capable of Super-speed, which may suggest that they were capable of compensating for temporal anomalies, so that they could return from a faster time frame without dying of old age, not that they can die of old age... If the Cybermen could "carry" their velocitous time frame with them like a life boat, that would mean that most of the time they are walking in slow motion, and talking really slowly, so that the snail people walking around like regular people can understand them.
So what about the Raston Warrior?
Yeah, try manipulating time inside a Gallifreyan prison, it's certainly not going to work, just like they don't let Earthican prisoners have fire arms.
Yes, Nardol is not a super soldier, but that's just because no one was trying to make a super soldier when they put him together, but it's definitely more advanced than a Mondasian Cyberman, and the same tech that a super soldier would be made out of.
Remember when Clara met the Cybermen on that 6 flags planet?
Those Cybermen were capable of Super-speed, which may suggest that they were capable of compensating for temporal anomalies, so that they could return from a faster time frame without dying of old age, not that they can die of old age... If the Cybermen could "carry" their velocitous time frame with them like a life boat, that would mean that most of the time they are walking in slow motion, and talking really slowly, so that the snail people walking around like regular people can understand them.
So what about the Raston Warrior?
Yeah, try manipulating time inside a Gallifreyan prison, it's certainly not going to work, just like they don't let Earthican prisoners have fire arms.
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I wonder if 14 isn't going to actually be kick starting the original, first regeneration sequence...the Tardis prop now is very much closer to the Tardis prop then. Maybe the only spoiler left is some secret Ben and Polly recasts. (I actually wonder if, retroactively, it's going to turn out to be Capaldi under the blanket in the Tenth Planet. Moffat does like to tinker with things like that, and DW lends itself very well to that kind of retroactive continuity.)
He says the disguise is so that Bill does not recognise him, since she probably voted for him... Could YOUNG Bill have voted Saxon 5 or 6 years ago?
So this is (almost certainly) the Master after The End of Time when he charges Rasilon.
Remember when Martha got back from her travels, she said something like "Gosh, I forgot to vote!" So there was just days between election day and the wife blowing him away.
Well, Big Finish recently recast Ben, although I don't know how much he looks like Michael Craze.
My thinking (I mean fruitless wishing) is that they will change the credits next time they remaster The 10th planet, even though cartoons of the missing episodes came out 2 or three years ago, they can say that Roy Skelton plays Bill Potts, rather than "Cyberman".
50 episodes?
Way to go Roy.
50 episodes?
Way to go Roy.
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