Yes, that's also why Obi-wan Kenboi is then shifted into being a bit of a liar.. Vader is just the henchman of the week.
Wookie concept stolen from Dune artist?
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Yes, that's also why Obi-wan Kenboi is then shifted into being a bit of a liar.. Vader is just the henchman of the week.
I wonder what the earliest "I am your father" moment in fiction is.
My guess: Paris and Priam. Although Priam wasn't more machine than man. That was Daedalus. In the Lou Ferrigno Hercules movies.
(Daedalus was also a hot chick.)
My guess: Paris and Priam. Although Priam wasn't more machine than man. That was Daedalus. In the Lou Ferrigno Hercules movies.
(Daedalus was also a hot chick.)
Isn't there a Marvel moment in an old FF issue in which Doom invites the Fantastic Four to dinner in a scene reminiscent of the one in ESB ("We would be honored if you would join us").
Doom's origin is pretty similar in some ways to Anakin/Vader-Part of his becoming evil is due to his mother's death, in a sense, and he and Reed were friends once, like Anakin and Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars era. The reason for his scarring is also linked to his quest for an occult power, and he sacrifices his love for that power, even though that's what got him there in the first place.
Doom's origin is pretty similar in some ways to Anakin/Vader-Part of his becoming evil is due to his mother's death, in a sense, and he and Reed were friends once, like Anakin and Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars era. The reason for his scarring is also linked to his quest for an occult power, and he sacrifices his love for that power, even though that's what got him there in the first place.
The Ulta-Humanite was a chick. A hot chick.
And then she was a gorilla.
The Ultra-Humanite was originally a bald scientist. Then when Luthor became more prominent (and not a red-headed arms dealer anymore) they made the UH a body-jumper.
The similarities between the original UH and Luthor were toyed with in the "Generations" Elseworlds John Byrne did: In that story, Luthor as a young man worked for the UH as a henchmen. When both were caught in an explosion, UH had his brain put in Luthor's body (which was now braindead from his injuries) since UH's body was ruined. But he was trapped in Luthor's form.
So in the story, Superman fought Luthor and the UH (who was always wearing a mask) for decades thinking they were two different people until it was revealed near the end of the story that they were one and the same.
I may have mis-read the post, but my impression was that the bushbaby was the original design of the Wookie. The author of that blog post is making that argument that after within a year of the image below and to the left appearing in a magazine the Wookie changed in appearance from the bushbaby monstrosity to the image below and to the right.
And it's pretty hard to miss the similarities there.
I see a lot of differences too. What it comes down to is which side of the argument do you want to take? The differences are almost as much as the similarities.
One on the left: 6 breasts/breast like buldges. One on the right lacks any buldges whatsoever. Left side has "hairless" forearms from roughly the elbow down. One on the right is fully haired. Additionally, the left picture is shaggy in hair, shorter tufts and matted differently to the one on the right that's longer hair and smoother, less like body hair and more like hair on the head.
Then there's the weapons. The left one has a crossbow and bolts/arrows, the one on the right has a gun and bandolier. I can't recall in Star Wars Chewie ever actually using the crossbow he's often depicted with in the EU but that's enough for some people I guess to make a damning conclusion.
The faces are similar but other than flattening the nose and altering the mouth, what can you do to make any sort of apeman not look like a man with severe hirsute?
One on the left: 6 breasts/breast like buldges. One on the right lacks any buldges whatsoever. Left side has "hairless" forearms from roughly the elbow down. One on the right is fully haired. Additionally, the left picture is shaggy in hair, shorter tufts and matted differently to the one on the right that's longer hair and smoother, less like body hair and more like hair on the head.
Then there's the weapons. The left one has a crossbow and bolts/arrows, the one on the right has a gun and bandolier. I can't recall in Star Wars Chewie ever actually using the crossbow he's often depicted with in the EU but that's enough for some people I guess to make a damning conclusion.
The faces are similar but other than flattening the nose and altering the mouth, what can you do to make any sort of apeman not look like a man with severe hirsute?
He could have also got it from Scaramouche, published in 1921 (a story that involves a lot of swordfighting, hmm).
I'm pretty sure there weren't, and it was cheating to have the good-guy character Obi-Wan just flat-out lie about it. Be evasive, okay. But if there was any intent at foreshadowing, Obi-Wan's dialogue should have been written differently.
There actually a one issue gap between the last Golden Age appearance of the UH (Action Comics #41) and the first appearence of Luthor ( Action Comics #43) The UH would not reappear in comics until 1981 (Justice League of America #195-197)The Ulta-Humanite was a chick. A hot chick.
And then she was a gorilla.
The Ultra-Humanite was originally a bald scientist. Then when Luthor became more prominent (and not a red-headed arms dealer anymore) they made the UH a body-jumper.
The similarities between the original UH and Luthor were toyed with in the "Generations" Elseworlds John Byrne did: In that story, Luthor as a young man worked for the UH as a henchmen. When both were caught in an explosion, UH had his brain put in Luthor's body (which was now braindead from his injuries) since UH's body was ruined. But he was trapped in Luthor's form.
So in the story, Superman fought Luthor and the UH (who was always wearing a mask) for decades thinking they were two different people until it was revealed near the end of the story that they were one and the same.
As for the Wookie. Looks like McQuarrie might have started with something similar to Shoenherr's design but eventually the Wookie design went in a slight different direction, with a taller and lankier look.
Just to throw this in, several professionals, including John Byrne, who have worked for Marvel over the years, have stated that Magneto being Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's dad was an open secret in the office dating back to the days of Jack Kirby drawing the X-Men.
Yeah, that's true. I was typing that so quickly I forgot which was which. This has been a mistake-prone thread for me. : /
Anyway, yeah, the resemblance is strong, but so is its resemblance to, well, sasquatch.
Not quite. It was Byrne's idea, but he only intended it to be implied for the readers who were paying attention, not actually revealed in print.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/listing.asp?ID=2&T1=Questions+about+Comic+Book+Projects#14
I'd always assumed the platinum hair wasn't meant to be seen as coincidence.
(At least, back in the day, when Magneto wasn't an eighty year old man. I wonder how long they'll be able to plausibly keep up the Holocaust plank in his origin? Unlike Cap, Magneto can't be attached to World War II indefinitely; it's almost just about plot-breaking in the X-Men films, when it apparently took Magneto roughly fifty years to decide Charles was wrong and go start messing homo sapiens up.
Reminds me, what war is Ben Grimm a veteran of these days? Any?)
(At least, back in the day, when Magneto wasn't an eighty year old man. I wonder how long they'll be able to plausibly keep up the Holocaust plank in his origin? Unlike Cap, Magneto can't be attached to World War II indefinitely; it's almost just about plot-breaking in the X-Men films, when it apparently took Magneto roughly fifty years to decide Charles was wrong and go start messing homo sapiens up.
Reminds me, what war is Ben Grimm a veteran of these days? Any?)
Quicksilver had the platinum hair first. I don't think we saw Magneto without his helmet for several years after Pietro was introduced. IIIRC it was in a Neal Adams & Roy Thomas created storyline. I doubt Stan and Jack left any details on the characters relationships or haircolors for Roy and Neal to follow.
He's a vet of what ever war was going on 10 to 15 years ago. Eventually it will be Iraq or Afganistan.
Magneto was rarely seen without the helmet in the old days, I think one of the old original X-men issues has him with *brown* hair! Also during the 70s his age fluctuated due to the manipulations of Mutant Alpha and Eric the Red; he ended up being around 30 in the 'current' Marvel universe.
Magneto as he was originally introduced was more of a camp villain, the origin story stuff was written in much later.
Magneto as he was originally introduced was more of a camp villain, the origin story stuff was written in much later.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about Baby Magneto. Surprising, since that's the foundation for my favorite Mags story ever, where Chris Claremont did his level best to kill the old bastard.