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Wonder Woman's Patty Jenkins is Directing a Rogue Squadron Movie

I enjoyed Love and Monsters and even that Dora movie is pretty fun so I'm willing to give this writer a chance. He seems to have a decent handle on breezy PG material which might work for Star Wars. After WW 84 I am happy to see Patty Jenkins isn't writing it herself.
 
1) I don't see anything suggesting this takes place after Rise of Skywalker. The "new era" could just be referencing the post-ROTJ New Republic, which hasn't really been explored at all in Disney canon.
Yeah, you might be right. I'm just going by this quote when they announced it
"...and move the saga into the future era of the galaxy."
 
My only request with this film is please, please, please... make the starfighter action sequences more like Rogue One:
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and less like The Force Awakens/The Rise of Skywalker:
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Unfortunately, Abrams just doesn't know how do to do Star Wars space battles.
 

I saw a behind-the-scenes presentation, and an interesting thing about that shot is that it was initially laid out as an exact duplicate of the X-Wings rolling over and diving towards the Death Star in ANH, though the composition was eventually modernized while still keeping the same basic move. There were a couple other cinematic quotations that got preserved (for instance, the shot of the Death Star firing on Scarif, then whip-panning over to the beam, uses the same framing of the shots of the Death Star firing and Alderaan exploding).
 
I saw a behind-the-scenes presentation, and an interesting thing about that shot is that it was initially laid out as an exact duplicate of the X-Wings rolling over and diving towards the Death Star in ANH, though the composition was eventually modernized while still keeping the same basic move. There were a couple other cinematic quotations that got preserved (for instance, the shot of the Death Star firing on Scarif, then whip-panning over to the beam, uses the same framing of the shots of the Death Star firing and Alderaan exploding).

Yeah you can tell they spent a lot of time studying ANH and ROTJ, no surprise given the latter is still held up as one of the finest space battles around. Rogue One did an excellent job living up to that high standard I thought. It was great seeing long tracking shots like the above with purposeful movement, especially after the Starkiller Base one was a nondescript blur of ships zooming around (imo)

I seem to recall Gareth Edwards used some interesting tech where had a VR/AR rig set up where he could lay shots out by hand. Really cool stuff.
 
I love both battles . Why not both?
I actually do love both battles, but I actually have to give the edge to the New Hope battle simply because that battle is the narrative focus of the story. In Rogue One The narrative focus of the story is on the planet surface, making the space battle secondary. In A New Hope, everything hinged on the space battle making it far more dramatically intense. The space battle in Return of the Jedi suffers from similar narrative split, but I would have to give even that battle the edge over Rogue One simply because space battle in Return of the Jedi at least featured one of our main characters. IMHO, and as always, your mileage may vary. Speaking entirely for myself, I was never really all that impressed with Rogue One. While the space battle was visually impressive, I didn't find the characters particularly engaging nor the story all that interesting. Hell, most people seemed to walk out of the theater talking about the Darth Vader scene, and that was a last-minute addition to the story.
 
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Speaking entirely for myself, I was never really all that impressed with Rogue One. While the space battle was visually impressive, I didn't find the characters particularly engaging nor the story all that interesting.

Yeah much as I enjoyed Rogue One, I totally agree that the characters, with a couple of exceptions, were pretty weak. And as you say the space battle could have done with a main character to give it some stakes. Visually though :luvlove:
 
I actually do love both battles, but I actually have to give the edge to the New Hope battle simply because that battle is the narrative focus of the story. In Rogue One The narrative focus of the story is on the planet surface, making the space battle secondary. In A New Hope, everything hinged on the space battle making it far more dramatically intense. The space battle in Return of the Jedi suffers from similar narrative split, but I would have to give even that battle the edge over Rogue One simply because space battle in Return of the Jedi at least featured one of our main characters. IMHO, and as always, your mileage may vary. Speaking entirely for myself, I was never really all that impressed with Rogue One. While the space battle was visually impressive, I didn't find the characters particularly engaging nor the story all that interesting. Hell, most people seemed to walk out of the theater talking about the Darth Vader scene, and that was a last-minute addition to the story.
Rogue One has never impressed me aside from some very nice ship designs, and it was nice to see Blue Squad too. But, the space battle, while dynamic, was ultimately not very fulfilling.

Return of the Jedi is one of the best space battles for me, even above ANH, and Rogue One, for similar reasons. Lando and Wedge thoroughly sell that battle. Rogue One looks cool. And that's it. The characters don't sell it.
 
I actually do love both battles, but I actually have to give the edge to the New Hope battle simply because that battle is the narrative focus of the story. In Rogue One The narrative focus of the story is on the planet surface, making the space battle secondary. In A New Hope, everything hinged on the space battle making it far more dramatically intense. The space battle in Return of the Jedi suffers from similar narrative split, but I would have to give even that battle the edge over Rogue One simply because space battle in Return of the Jedi at least featured one of our main characters. IMHO, and as always, your mileage may vary. Speaking entirely for myself, I was never really all that impressed with Rogue One. While the space battle was visually impressive, I didn't find the characters particularly engaging nor the story all that interesting. Hell, most people seemed to walk out of the theater talking about the Darth Vader scene, and that was a last-minute addition to the story.
Not only is the ANH battle the narrative focus, it's constructed in such a way as to tell a complete and coherent story in and of itself. There's peaks, valleys, pacing, small victories, turns and even a twist at the climax.

Like seriously, it's no coincidence that the space battle in ANH 1) takes up a shocking percentage of the script given that it's mostly action and just the third act climax, 2) was one of the very first things Lucas started working on visualising even before he'd shot a single frame of footage anything else in the movie, 3) was the LAST thing they locked down in the edit before turning it in (and promptly taking it back out a week after release for extra ADR work, but that's another story.)

ANH takes the time to introduce a whole new mini-cast of characters that are the pilots. Explains both the stakes of the meta story and the personal stakes that is Luke, Han & Leia's character dynamic. Spends time building suspense and anticipation before the battle with the approach and report-in. Makes sure the audience is clear what's going on at all times, shows how the baddies are reacting; move/counter-move. Has the pilots meaningfully interact. Shows the plan proceed, then go totally off the rails, killing off characters one-by-one until it's just the hero and villain in a one-on-one showdown...and the clock is ticking the whole way through.

The problem with the TFA battle is the same thing that's the problem with the TFA as a whole: it's a cargo cult of a movie. Abrams has certainly seen a Star Wars movie and knows what they look like, but without any real knowledge (or it seems, interest) in the thematic underpinnings or narrative structure that actually go in to making these things, he just assembles his little Star Wars-like effigy, blindly copying the surface level details in hope that the Movie Blockbuster Gods will accept his offering and bestow the Star Wars Magic upon him. And that's how we get a half-arsed sequel trilogy.

TFA's version of the space battle finale is: -
"let's go blow up a thing!"
"OK, we're blowing up a thing!"
*insert random effects shots, mostly about how one pilot--who should have died at the top of act one--is impossibly doing all the work while a bunch of nothing characters they never bothered to even introduce are killed off because who cares!?*
"OK, we blew up the thing, every one cheer and roll credits!"

Of course it doesn't help that it's painfully obvious that TFA's entire third act was an 11th hour arse-pull. I mean they just drop Starkiller Base in the middle of act two without ANY context and take a 90 degree plot turn because they can't actually decide if the movie is about a McGuffin, a character, or the friends they made along the way...
 
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Not only is the ANH battle the narrative focus, it's constructed in such a way as to tell a complete and coherent story in and of itself. There's peaks, valleys, pacing, small victories, turns and even a twist at the climax.


Like seriously, it's no co-incidence that the space battle in ANH 1) takes of a shocking percentage of the script given that it's mostly action and just the third act climax, 2) was one of the very first things Lucas started working on visualising even before he'd shot a single frame of footage anything else in the movie, 3) was the LAST thing they locked down in the edit before turning it in (and promptly taking it back out a week after release for extra ADR work, but that's another story.)

ANH takes the time to introduce a whole new mini-cast of characters that are the pilots. Explains both the stakes of the meta story and the personal stakes that is Luke, Han & Leia's character dynamic. Spends time building suspense and anticipation before the battle with the approach and report-in. Makes sure the audience is clear what's going on at all times, shows how the baddies are reacting; move/counter-move. Has the pilots meaningfully interact. Shows the play proceed, then go totally off the rails, killing off characters one-by-one until it's just the hero and villain in a one-on-one showdown and the clock is ticking the whole way through.

The problem with the TFA battle is the same thing that's that problem with the TFA as a whole: it's a cargo cult of a movie. Abrams has certain seen a Star Wars movie and know what they look like, but without any real knowledge (or it seems, interest) in the thematic underpinnings or narrative structure that actually go in to making these things, he just assembles are Star Wars-like effigy, blindly copying the surface level details in hope that the Movie Blockbuster Gods will accept his offering and bestow the Star Wars Magic upon him.

TFA's version of the space battle finale is: -
"let's go blow up a thing!"
"OK, we're blowing up a thing!"
*insert random effects shots, mostly about how one pilot is impossibly doing all the work while a bunch of nothing characters they never bothered to even introduce are killed off because who cares!?*
"OK, we blew up the thing, every one cheer and roll credits!"

Of course it doesn't help that it's painfully obvious that TFA's entire third act was an 11th hour arse-pull. I mean they just drop Starkiller Base in the middle of act two without ANY context and take a 90 degree plot turn because they can't actually decide if the movie is about a McGuffin, a character, or they friends they made along the way!

I completely agree with most of that, but the comparison is a tad unfair because the narrative kept switching from the battle to the surface, whereas in ANH the entire last act was nothing but the Death Star attack, so of course it had more narrative depth. In the Force Awakens, the Ben/Han scene and lightsaber battle in the forest was the dramatic focus, and the action was mostly set dressing.

Obviously it's not either/or, the battle in the sky could have been done 10x better. But Abrams isn't the man to make a compelling Star Wars space battle, visually or dramatically. If TFA wasn't enough of a clue, TROS really drove that point home.

Rian Johnson did it much better (on a smaller scale) at the start of The Last Jedi, and Rogue One nailed the visual side of things at the very least. Hopefully Patty Jenkins follows suit.
 
I really want a Rogue Squadron movie, but I don't want her to make it, so I'm fine with this. Although, I think this means we don't have any confirmed Star Wars movies announced anymore, just various Disney+ shows, which is weird.
 
Damn. And now I guess we wait for inevitable wave of idiots who are going to use this as proof that Disney Star Wars is failing, even though if you actually look into the situation, this is all due to Patty Jenkins being too busy, and not the popularity of the franchise.
 
I wonder if any of the announced movies will ever actually be released (that Rian Johnson trilogy was announced years ago and there doesn't seem to be any movement at all.)
 
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