Womens Right NOT Have Children and the Stigmas That Go With It..
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On the other hand, the vast majority of children are born without any thought or pre-planning and yet somehow society struggles on.
Eh, on the right you get the whole be fruitful and multiply, on the left you get the whole choosing to remove yourself from the genetic pool. Either way you don't get much support for not pro-creating, and logically it doesn't make sense. But I fully support whimsy and decisions not based on cold hard logic. We're not all vulcans after all.
Luckily, that's changing. More and more people are remaining childless, and those that do reproduce are having fewer children. Hopefully, change will continue enough to prevent a catastrophe.That's also true... But the overwhelming majority agrees with me... hence our desire to assimilate you
You're lucky.
Exactly. "Struggles on."
Like when no one else is being born and cities are ghost towns and the human race just vanishes into the night because we topped having kids?
I can appreciate people who dont want kids finding the people who do's attitude to be annoying, but at the same time, as someone who does want kids, I find the people who dont want them to be just as annoying when they go on about how it is a better choice or how they dont want them because they dont like kids etc..
It works both ways.
I think everyone needs to move away from their choice being the better one. If it works for you as an individual then that's fine but trying to make everyone else like you, in any walk of life, is a recipe for disaster. The people here complaining that they are being harassed because they chose not to have children sound as though they're protesting too much. People are rude, this has always been the case. Being over-sensitive about one particular subject of rudeness usually means you have some problems with this subject. As to families being busybodies, well that, as I said before, is what families do. Family is family, as the wise Iguana once said.
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Even if you gave birth to a child, you never know what you are going to get. Do these people realized kids are not toy's.
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What always amazes me is that many, if not most, parents say that they can't wait until the kids are grown and out of the house. Huh? I thought you saud that you wanted kids and didn't feel complete without them. You knew this was a minimum 18 year deal--your kids are only 9 yo.
I wonder if part of the reason so many parents have problems with their kids around 10 yo and up is that they're tired of them in some ways and it becomes subtly apparent to the kids. Nothing obvious, but just a "I wish...."
OTOH, I know quite of number of excellent (in my mind) parents who encourage their children to grow but have no interest in moving them out too soon, in the child's best interest. Not over-parenting, but what seems healthy-parenting. And the kids are confident without being arrogant or cocky, knowing that their parents are providing full emotional support for them to grow and try new things. It's always such a joy to meet such kids--yeah, they're not "perfect" angels. Why should they be? But they're intelligent and can express themselves while still being "a kid" in their happiness and frustrations. Met one yesterday. Hubby and I told him to keep in touch with us. And I complimented his mother on having raised him so well.
I wonder if part of the reason so many parents have problems with their kids around 10 yo and up is that they're tired of them in some ways and it becomes subtly apparent to the kids. Nothing obvious, but just a "I wish...."
OTOH, I know quite of number of excellent (in my mind) parents who encourage their children to grow but have no interest in moving them out too soon, in the child's best interest. Not over-parenting, but what seems healthy-parenting. And the kids are confident without being arrogant or cocky, knowing that their parents are providing full emotional support for them to grow and try new things. It's always such a joy to meet such kids--yeah, they're not "perfect" angels. Why should they be? But they're intelligent and can express themselves while still being "a kid" in their happiness and frustrations. Met one yesterday. Hubby and I told him to keep in touch with us. And I complimented his mother on having raised him so well.
On the other hand, the population of the planet is going to peak in the middle of this century and then stabilise. Prosperity is increasing in the two most populous and economically developing countries in the world, India and China and I believe that prosperity will spread out, making more and more people's standard of living better. In fact I envisage the exact opposite of RJD.
yeah no kids for me! never liked them & I have way too much emotional anxiety problems to be able to raise one properly. I mean I get mentally & physically exhausted when my toddler niece stays with me and my mom, and thats usually just half the day!
I've found that people are judgmental whichever choice someone makes. I want to have children, and people give me grief for that. My sister doesn't want children, and people give her grief for that. There's no winning.
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That's also true... But the overwhelming majority agrees with me... hence our desire to assimilate you
But why? Why do people feel this need? Do you really want people who don't want kids to have kids? That's incredibly destructive.
It's the same thing that causes people to exclaim (once you do have children) that it looks so much like the father, even though all babies look 90% similar and none of them look remotely like any adult.
People here are jumping on tradition or religion, but this isn't unique to western civilization. I have a korean friend who just graduated and gets semi-regular questions from her grandparents on when she's settling down and popping a few kids out. My friend may be Christian, but her family back in the ROK are not. I'm not a general fan of evolutionary psychology, I feel that's a vastly better explanation.
Well said. Your reason may be even better than mine: people are jackasses.
Even if you gave birth to a child, you never know what you are going to get. Do these people realized kids are not toy's.
My two older brothers are adopted; my parents thought they couldn't have kids, adopted two kids, and then had two biological kids (myself included). None of us was ever treated differently. The idea that adopted kids aren't as good as biological kids, to be blunt, is extremely ignorant and doesn't speak well of the person spewing such nonsense. How adopted children are loved and treated is entirely up to the adoptive parents, and with this attitude, little wonder that some adopted children have miserable childhoods.
I gave birth to my 3 kids and the youngest has Autistic Spectrum Disorder. My oldest adopted brother has 4 children and they're all neurotypical. So much for the chromosomes of adopted children being more suspect than those of biological children, eh?
If people want to have children, good for them. If they don't, good for them.
What I find more amusing is that I would hazard that a comfortable majority of parents neither did nor didn't; at least not really, in a deep way. They just randomly reproduced and then dealt with the consequences.
What I find more amusing is that I would hazard that a comfortable majority of parents neither did nor didn't; at least not really, in a deep way. They just randomly reproduced and then dealt with the consequences.
RIGHT!
Adoption gives the ones that are already here a shot at a good life, no need to create more for the sake of creating more.
Although, my mother...Never mind, that's another thread.
Same here when I'm around kids of any age, and I like kids. They're fun for a while, but they drain this introvert's energy quickly.
It's predicted at this point that the population will peak and stabilize, then possibly begin to decline, at nine billions in the middle of the century. That's if current trends continue. Whether that will be enough to prevent catastrophe is debatable. We are already very vulnerable to pandemics, mass extinctions are in progress, and global warming is in full swing. Even if we can bring the population down by the end of the century, we will be at very high risk for the next hundred years, barring any unforeseen developments.
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