WNMHGB remastered
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trevanian
Rear Admiral
When you've got the same folks repeating the same party line again and again, it is pretty tiresome (I do it myself often enough, although I usually try to put it in a particular context rather than just rage on), especially when their views don't seem to be supported by anything in the imagery. Geez, this RAMA guy talks about BREATHTAKING shots in this cg ent stuff ... breathtaking? The last breathtaking shot I saw in any TREK was probably TMP.
That was probably the first one as well, come to think of it.
Most of the cg (I don't want to contribute to misinformation so I won't call it remastered, how about unmastered?) that I've caught is just cartoony. Some looks sorta okay, but if they'd just recomped the film elements I'd be willing to watch these things instead of just flipping past them and scowling as I go.
The idea that new viewers would accept the incongruity of contrasty film live-action with the cg exteriors suggests that sensibilities ARE being blunted, as the two seem seriously incongruous. Original TOS on occasion did have some cartoony moments (the explosion at the beginning of PATTERNS OF FORCE comes to mind), but that was the exception, not the rule, and it always looked bad. Why they'd want to shoot for less visual credibility in order to provide a bit of eye candy ... well, that doesn't speak well to the generation they are aiming this at.
That was probably the first one as well, come to think of it.
Most of the cg (I don't want to contribute to misinformation so I won't call it remastered, how about unmastered?) that I've caught is just cartoony. Some looks sorta okay, but if they'd just recomped the film elements I'd be willing to watch these things instead of just flipping past them and scowling as I go.
The idea that new viewers would accept the incongruity of contrasty film live-action with the cg exteriors suggests that sensibilities ARE being blunted, as the two seem seriously incongruous. Original TOS on occasion did have some cartoony moments (the explosion at the beginning of PATTERNS OF FORCE comes to mind), but that was the exception, not the rule, and it always looked bad. Why they'd want to shoot for less visual credibility in order to provide a bit of eye candy ... well, that doesn't speak well to the generation they are aiming this at.
What do some of you guys expect on a limited CGI budget and the Remastering time constraints? Mike Okuda and his team have relatively little time to look at all the original TOS effects, decide what needs changing and updating and actually do it in a believable, attractive fashion. We're not talking Lucasfilm/ILM dollars and staff here. For what they are, the new Remastered effects are pretty sharp and awesome.
^ People seem to think CBS is spending a mint per episode on this, NEWSFLASH, they aren't !
If CBS wants huge returns from this with one season costing a mear $222.00 there's no way they're spending a mint on remastering.
I'll even bet that what they are spending per episode is no higher then the original cost of them back in the 1960's.
Like a few hundred thousand and no more then that.
You'd think folks would know this by now ?
BUT NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
They expect it to look so good it'd make thier eyes bleed no matter how little they spend on it.
- W -
* I'm just glad it's not as bad as playing an Atari 2600 *
If CBS wants huge returns from this with one season costing a mear $222.00 there's no way they're spending a mint on remastering.
I'll even bet that what they are spending per episode is no higher then the original cost of them back in the 1960's.
Like a few hundred thousand and no more then that.
You'd think folks would know this by now ?
BUT NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
They expect it to look so good it'd make thier eyes bleed no matter how little they spend on it.
- W -
* I'm just glad it's not as bad as playing an Atari 2600 *
If it's gonna look like crap then why do it?
And the problem isn't the money. The problem is the conception. The ship should not zip around and make hairpin turns like a racecar. It's the same sort of small thinking that led the makers of modern Trek to not even understand why the ship needed a crew.
And the problem isn't the money. The problem is the conception. The ship should not zip around and make hairpin turns like a racecar. It's the same sort of small thinking that led the makers of modern Trek to not even understand why the ship needed a crew.
I've yet to see a TOS remastered that has made the 1701 "zip around and make hairpin turns like a racecar..."; we're not talking about Star Trek: New Voyages here.
As for "why do it?"; that's been stated time and time again in that the original effects (unfortunately) DO look very bad when viewed on a HD TV (and I own the TOS box sets and still play episodes on my 73" DLP - and even with auto-upscaling; the exterior opticals look terrible - that's unfortunately just a fact).
In contrast; the remasted stuff - even when it's done at standard def and then upscaled to 1080i by the local NBC affiliate in L.A.) DOES look good.
The fact is that the original Star Trek has made the owners money for the last 40 years; and they're hoping it can make them money for 40 more (and HD will soon be the standard TV format - period - within the next 10 years.
That's the answer to "Why do it?"
Nor are the bad effects in the original TOS episodes.
The "Galactic Barrier" shots in the remastered WNMHGB are considerably different from the original. That surprised some people but it's not wrong in itself, and in fact those shots are pretty good. They are certainly a good deal more convincing than the original shots they replaced, which were an unpersuasive execution of an admittedly ridiculous concept.
The new CGI has its low, cheesy moments and not all of it looks as amazing as it was supposed to...but as I've stated before, CBS/Paramount didn't give Mike Okuda a REVENGE OF THE SITH- or INDEPENDENCE DAY-sized budget to change the effects. It's a lot of money considering the limited uses its intended for AND that its being used on a series that was fimed forty years ago and is no longer in production, but it's not George Lucas/ILM bucks. Based on the relatively limited resources at hand, I'd say the Remastering team's done an extremely good job so far.
You're using the same reasons the original effects aren't 2001 quality and must be replaced--time and money--to rationalize why the new stuff sometimes falls short.
Oh, the irony...
Oh, the irony...
I wasn't gonna say anything...
The unphysical maneuverability of starships can be a lengthy topic of discussion. I do not see it as just due to remastering.
I'm just miffed that they didn't airbrush out the strings attached to the cup of water and the phaser rifle.
Oh please. I've never seen those strings. It's a very successful effect.
I can never see that, even in freeze frame.
But it HAS to be a bad effect! It's, like, so OLD!
My mamma be over fiddy years old and she still kick your ass.
Mariner Class said:
My mamma be over fiddy years old and she still kick your ass.
Does she take VISA?
