Windows 10

[B.J.]

Yep, Microsoft is skipping "9".

http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-jumps-to-windows-10/

Honestly, this preview makes a little hopeful. I'm one of the ones that said "Oh, hell no!" to Windows 8, and it seems that they've addressed many of my concerns, including getting rid of the tiled full-screen Start menu, and making Metro apps not be full-screen if you want.

If they had continued fully down the path Windows 8 had started, I'd be looking for a new OS, which is not something I want to do.

 

[B.J.]

Crap, just noticed the thread in Misc. Someone want to close this one?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

We can have a thread here, you know!

THIS FORUM NEEDS LOVE TOO

 

[MacLeod]

and surely this is the more appropritae forum for it.

Windows 9 must have been too good to release.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm just glad they finally woke up and realized you can't force a single UX/UI paradigm on every platform as if they are all the same. It's fine if you want to reuse your backend code--everybody does that. But demanding you use your phone, tablet, and computer exactly the same way? Get fucked.

 

[scotthm]

The only feature I see that I can't do on Windows 8.1 (with Start8 and ModernMix) are the virtual desktops, and with my multi-monitor setup I don't know how much I'd use that. I'll know better once I have a little time to play with my Windows 10 VM.

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[DarthTom]

I was speaking with our IT person about this and as I understand it - and someone clarify if I'm wrong please - much of the operating system will exist in a cloud? She was saying that if that's true - at least our company will opt out for that reason alone because of security concerns.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm sure it will have cloud features but "much of the operating system will exist in a cloud" is a nonsensical statement. No OS "runs from the cloud" because the performance would be horrendous, to say nothing of the security issues.

They will probably just "encourage" people to make use of the cloud features.

 

[DarthTom]

I'm sure it will have cloud features but "much of the operating system will exist in a cloud" is a nonsensical statement. No OS "runs from the cloud" because the performance would be horrendous, to say nothing of the security issues.

They will probably just "encourage" people to make use of the cloud features.

I see. Perhaps I misunderstood her. Nonetheless with all of the headline making data breaches over the past few months - to include but limited to people hacking into Apple's cloud for celebrities nude photos - I'd imagine that practice would be discouraged or outright prevented for anyone who's not an administrator.

Shit, at my company you have to get authorized to make an international call because of so many attempts to hack into VIOP phone systems - like we have - and then resell the opportunity to make free calls.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

There have been rumors circulating that Windows 10 will have literally cloud-based features. From last year [http://www.myce.com/news/rumor-windows-10-to-become-a-cloud-based-os-68623/?PageSpeed=noscript]:

A cloud based OS has the benefit for Microsoft that it will limit piracy. Many parts of the OS will not run on the local computer but require to access the cloud where the actual software is running from. Benefits for users is that they always have up to date software and that they no longer need fast and expensive hardware.

True or not, and if true what exactly the cloud-based features all are, I don't know yet, but it's worth finding out.

 

[DarthTom]

There have been rumors circulating that Windows 10 will have literally cloud-based features. From last year [http://www.myce.com/news/rumor-windows-10-to-become-a-cloud-based-os-68623/?PageSpeed=noscript]:

A cloud based OS has the benefit for Microsoft that it will limit piracy. Many parts of the OS will not run on the local computer but require to access the cloud where the actual software is running from. Benefits for users is that they always have up to date software and that they no longer need fast and expensive hardware.

True or not, and if true what exactly the cloud-based features all are, I don't know yet, but it's worth finding out.

Thank you Maybe that's what she was referring to. Obviously a company could opt out of those features for security reasons but if it's major functionality it may be a problem for some companies.

 

[MacLeod]

I see just one minor problem with cloud based services

1.>Not everyone has internet
2.>Not everyone has fast internet

Admitely that's two problems but it ties into the same issue re: internet access.

Some compaines whilst having an intranet, restrict access to the internet. So that might be an issue as well for those companies so they might not upgrade. You would have though MS would have learned the lesson's of what went wrong with previous versions of Windows, didn't many companines/people stick with XP rather than upgrading to a later version, that should have been a clue as to what people/buisness want.

 

[Random_Spock]

I see just one minor problem with cloud based services

1.>Not everyone has internet
2.>Not everyone has fast internet

Admitely that's two problems but it ties into the same issue re: internet access.

Some compaines whilst having an intranet, restrict access to the internet. So that might be an issue as well for those companies so they might not upgrade. You would have though MS would have learned the lesson's of what went wrong with previous versions of Windows, didn't many companines/people stick with XP rather than upgrading to a later version, that should have been a clue as to what people/buisness want.

Bingo.

Not a fan of cloud based OS either tbh. It's TOO tied to online and eventually (at least I figure) it'll be cracked and hacked, just like anything else computer related. I don't EVER want anything personal on it.

People should be able to decide just how much of the OS would be cloud based, and not be stuck with it being entirely so.

 

[Amaris]

There have been rumors circulating that Windows 10 will have literally cloud-based features. From last year [http://www.myce.com/news/rumor-windows-10-to-become-a-cloud-based-os-68623/?PageSpeed=noscript]:

A cloud based OS has the benefit for Microsoft that it will limit piracy. Many parts of the OS will not run on the local computer but require to access the cloud where the actual software is running from. Benefits for users is that they always have up to date software and that they no longer need fast and expensive hardware.

True or not, and if true what exactly the cloud-based features all are, I don't know yet, but it's worth finding out.

Right now, everything I'm using is running on my computer. When I first installed Windows 10, it asked me if I wanted to sign up for OneDrive (cloud based file storage), and I declined, but that's it.

 

[ElimGarak.93-99]

Yep, Microsoft is skipping "9".

http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-jumps-to-windows-10/

Honestly, this preview makes a little hopeful. I'm one of the ones that said "Oh, hell no!" to Windows 8, and it seems that they've addressed many of my concerns, including getting rid of the tiled full-screen Start menu, and making Metro apps not be full-screen if you want.

If they had continued fully down the path Windows 8 had started, I'd be looking for a new OS, which is not something I want to do.

Good that means I can skip Windows 8.1 just like I did with Vista.

And the start button is back to it normal function so that is also really good news.

 

[eyeresist]

Good that means I can skip Windows 8.1 just like I did with Vista.

What worries me is MS seem to put out alternately good and terrible versions of Windows, and if they're going straight to 10 maybe they are skipping the good OS?

I'm sure they are trying to figure out how to make their OS a subscription rather than a purchase, and when that happens it will involve mandatory upgrades. At that point I will have to look for another OS.

 

[Amaris]

Good that means I can skip Windows 8.1 just like I did with Vista.

What worries me is MS seem to put out alternately good and terrible versions of Windows, and if they're going straight to 10 maybe they are skipping the good OS?

I'm sure they are trying to figure out how to make their OS a subscription rather than a purchase, and when that happens it will involve mandatory upgrades. At that point I will have to look for another OS.

If they jump to a subscription service, it will likely require opting in, rather than making it all mandatory for those with a standard Windows OS. Honestly, though, they're probably more likely to give away the OS and make some services subscription only, which is where things are heading anyway.

 

[B.J.]

I see just one minor problem with cloud based services

1.>Not everyone has internet
2.>Not everyone has fast internet

Admitely that's two problems but it ties into the same issue re: internet access.

Some compaines whilst having an intranet, restrict access to the internet. So that might be an issue as well for those companies so they might not upgrade. You would have though MS would have learned the lesson's of what went wrong with previous versions of Windows, didn't many companines/people stick with XP rather than upgrading to a later version, that should have been a clue as to what people/buisness want.

I've worked activities that were on a completely isolated network for security issues. No internet at all, ever. How would they handle things like that?

That's not just for the OS, but for any other things (like Office) that they might try to put on the cloud. I don't use Photoshop and Illustrator, but isn't that basically what Adobe did with their recent move to a subscription-based service?

 

[Tom]

I put W10 on a test laptop and so far everything that works in windows 7 has worked with Windows 10. I think W10 is going to work out fine.

 

[USS KG5]

I see. Perhaps I misunderstood her. Nonetheless with all of the headline making data breaches over the past few months - to include but limited to people hacking into Apple's cloud for celebrities nude photos - I'd imagine that practice would be discouraged or outright prevented for anyone who's not an administrator.

There isn't really any reason why the cloud isn't or can't be as secure as a corporate server in your building, after all they are ultimately the same thing. You can wall your server off from the internet, but if the clients have access then you have an attack vector via them.

The actual vulnerability exploited for the "fappening" has yet to be properly established. There have been hints about secret questions, so I suspect some research and hacking at the password reset system was involved.

"Hacking" is much understood, but it is doubtful that an actual security flaw in the cloud model was responsible. As an IT Manager I have two issues with it, principally the poor internet connection my offices have, and handing over data to an IT provider my accounts colleagues might decide not to pay one month - then what happens!

Shit, at my company you have to get authorized to make an international call because of so many attempts to hack into VIOP phone systems - like we have - and then resell the opportunity to make free calls.

Yeah we had to lock down our phone system because of this, apparently it also happens with traditional ISDN lines as well due to a security flaw.