Wind Farms

[Jedi_Master]

Power generating stations aren't very attractive, no matter what they use to generate power, but Mr. Abbott seems like the sort of person who wouldn't like renewable energy no matter how attractive our quiet the generating stations were.

 

[Relayer1]

Anyone else seen this by the way? Solves the problem re noise and birds.

Doesn't matter. People will still find something to dislike about them.

It makes you want to pull them all down and build bloody great coal fired plants in their place and give the morons something to bitch about...

 

[Q2UnME]

I don't get this whole "they're noisey" thing. I've stood in several large "Wind Farms". The blades do make a "swoosh" when they zip by, but the sound level doesn't even compare to that generated by a congested roadway. Fucktards need to do their homework before opening their mouths.

 

[Relayer1]

Fucktards need to do their homework before opening their mouths.

It's not in the job description.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Anyone else seen this by the way? Solves the problem re noise and birds.

Very Sci Fi. They're like tall, skinny Monoliths.

 

[bbailey861]

They are neither noisy nor ugly.

They are, however, driving the cost of power to new astronomical heights. Ontario has one of the highest electricity costs in North America, due in large part to the turbines. Turbine farms are paid huge subsidies by the Provincial government and these costs are passed directly onto the customer. It is reported that turbines currently produce approximately 4% of power but contribute 20% of the cost of electricity. Rates are expected to keep increasing exponentially over the next several years as more turbines are brought on line. More turbines continue to be brought on line because of the huge subsidies given to the turbine companies. Rates have to be risen to be able to pay the subsidies. Nasty Circle.

Companies that have been here for a hundred years are choosing to leave Ontario in part because of the cost of electricity.

I am all for greening the grid, but frankly, the costs are becoming unsustainable.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

They are neither noisy nor ugly.

They are, however, driving the cost of power to new astronomical heights. Ontario has one of the highest electricity costs in North America, due in large part to the turbines. Turbine farms are paid huge subsidies by the Provincial government and these costs are passed directly onto the customer. It is reported that turbines currently produce approximately 4% of power but contribute 20% of the cost of electricity. Rates are expected to keep increasing exponentially over the next several years as more turbines are brought on line. More turbines continue to be brought on line because of the huge subsidies given to the turbine companies. Rates have to be risen to be able to pay the subsidies. Nasty Circle.

Companies that have been here for a hundred years are choosing to leave Ontario in part because of the cost of electricity.

I am all for greening the grid, but frankly, the costs are becoming unsustainable.

That sounds like it has nothing to do with wind power itself and everything to do with a badly designed subsidy system.

 

[Marc]

They are neither noisy nor ugly.

They are, however, driving the cost of power to new astronomical heights. Ontario has one of the highest electricity costs in North America, due in large part to the turbines. Turbine farms are paid huge subsidies by the Provincial government and these costs are passed directly onto the customer. It is reported that turbines currently produce approximately 4% of power but contribute 20% of the cost of electricity. Rates are expected to keep increasing exponentially over the next several years as more turbines are brought on line. More turbines continue to be brought on line because of the huge subsidies given to the turbine companies. Rates have to be risen to be able to pay the subsidies. Nasty Circle.

Companies that have been here for a hundred years are choosing to leave Ontario in part because of the cost of electricity.

I am all for greening the grid, but frankly, the costs are becoming unsustainable.

Except you're overlooking several things with energy costs in Ontario.

The cost of the wind turbines is nothing compared to the costs come up to re-furb the nuclear plants.

Neither the Tories or the Liberals want to face up to that elephant in the room during the election campaign as the price tag is gonna be around $15bil.

Although the Liberals haven't helped the price of hydro is also still being impacted by the utter fuckup that was the tories privatisation in the 1990s that left billions in debt.

So while wind turbines may be an fact in the hydro prices to paint them as the major cause is disingenious.

 

[bbailey861]

They are neither noisy nor ugly.

They are, however, driving the cost of power to new astronomical heights. Ontario has one of the highest electricity costs in North America, due in large part to the turbines. Turbine farms are paid huge subsidies by the Provincial government and these costs are passed directly onto the customer. It is reported that turbines currently produce approximately 4% of power but contribute 20% of the cost of electricity. Rates are expected to keep increasing exponentially over the next several years as more turbines are brought on line. More turbines continue to be brought on line because of the huge subsidies given to the turbine companies. Rates have to be risen to be able to pay the subsidies. Nasty Circle.

Companies that have been here for a hundred years are choosing to leave Ontario in part because of the cost of electricity.

I am all for greening the grid, but frankly, the costs are becoming unsustainable.

That sounds like it has nothing to do with wind power itself and everything to do with a badly designed subsidy system.

Indeed, but I'm not sure I follow.

They are neither noisy nor ugly.

They are, however, driving the cost of power to new astronomical heights. Ontario has one of the highest electricity costs in North America, due in large part to the turbines. Turbine farms are paid huge subsidies by the Provincial government and these costs are passed directly onto the customer. It is reported that turbines currently produce approximately 4% of power but contribute 20% of the cost of electricity. Rates are expected to keep increasing exponentially over the next several years as more turbines are brought on line. More turbines continue to be brought on line because of the huge subsidies given to the turbine companies. Rates have to be risen to be able to pay the subsidies. Nasty Circle.

Companies that have been here for a hundred years are choosing to leave Ontario in part because of the cost of electricity.

I am all for greening the grid, but frankly, the costs are becoming unsustainable.

Except you're overlooking several things with energy costs in Ontario.

The cost of the wind turbines is nothing compared to the costs come up to re-furb the nuclear plants.

Neither the Tories or the Liberals want to face up to that elephant in the room during the election campaign as the price tag is gonna be around $15bil.

Which has nothing to do with cost of wind power and not the cost of what we're paying right now. Potential nuclear upgrades are not factored into the cost we're paying for power now. To say be happy with the price factored in with the cost of the turbines because upgrading the nuclear facilities would be a lot more is a ridiculous argument.

Although the Liberals haven't helped the price of hydro is also still being impacted by the utter fuckup that was the tories privatisation in the 1990s that left billions in debt.

Well, the debt retirement charge is currently about $7 per month, and while definitely a piss-off, is not the cause that rates have risen the way they have the last couple of years. On the other hand, turbines have (solar too, I believe).

Also to note - and please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it reported not long ago that under the previous Liberal reign that the debt had been paid years ago, but the charge remained anyway. Wasn't it an auditor general's report that picked that up, forcing the current Liberal gov't to admit that yea it's been paid and we'll have to remove it from the bills? Oops.

And to go one step farther, if your going to chastise the PCs for spinning off Ontario Hydro, you would be negligent not to also mention the current cock-up that the present Liberal government is doing by further off-loading and selling off Hydro One. We are being fed the line that by privatizing the companies we will see lower rates. Ya, sure. Show me a jurisdiction where that's happened.[/QUOTE]

So while wind turbines may be an fact in the hydro prices to paint them as the major cause is disingenious.

Sorry, I disagree. The major cause of rate increases is directly due to covering the costs of green energy. Liberal green power policies have failed the average consumer - especially those who are on the lower end of the wage scale.

Look, the notion of greening power generation is a good thing. The thing that's not good is how it all went down.

 

[publiusr]

I must side with noisey and ugly.

At sea, off shore, not so much a problem. But it won't really help reduce climate change
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090127163403.htm

I want the golden apples of the sun--space based powersats--myself.

"See those stars up in the sky son? They're not stars--we put them there."

http://www.sensysmag.com/spatialsustain/scientists-rank-geoengineering-options.html

T. M. Lenton and N. E. Vaughan, as per an old WIRED article on their findings, took a good look at space based reflectors, which do not cause acid rain, like aerosols

http://www.academia.edu/5421950/Geoengineering_and_Climate_Modelling


Seeing these structures can also be SPSS systems--you get a two-fer--reduce warming, and generate power without CO2

Since they can also be used to deflect asteroids--that is a three-fer
http://www.news.ucsb.edu/2013/01346...pose-system-vaporize-asteroids-threaten-earth

What is more, if the sun should dim and threaten us with cold, reflectors can be repositioned to beam more light down.

The answer to climate change is in space.