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Wind Farms

Are wind farms noisy and ugly?

  • Noisy but not ugly

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ugly but not noisy

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • Both

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Neither

    Votes: 23 69.7%
  • Don't know/don't care

    Votes: 3 9.1%

  • Total voters
    33
There's one out in the California desert I used to drive through. It was a brown, dusty, dull landscape and then out of nowhere, all these towering, white wind-turbines appear. I thought it was rather attractive.

I agree! Over a decade ago I was in California for the first time, driving eastward from San Francisco, up into the mountains to get over into the Central Valley, when I drove into a landscape of hillsides populated by huge white giants, slowly spinning their blades above the golden carpet of grasses at their feet. I thought it was beautiful and quite majestic. I was impressed. There are far worse things that humans have done to the landscape, but both beauty and ugliness are in the eye of the beholder.

Many of us live in cities, and many marvel at the 'beauty' of the skylines there, but most city skylines are just plain ugly if we step back and have a good, critical look. Jagged clumps of irregular, bland colored, blocky rectangles and spires poking up from the ground at the sky. And no wind farm generates any noise anything close to what a city produces! As I said, eye of the beholder!


The ones I've seen are beautiful, like a field of giant futuristic flowers. I don't know if they're noisy, but I don't see why they would be or why it matters. It worries me that I've heard that a large number of birds are killed by flying into them, but I don't know if that's true or not. The bottom line is that they are a non-polluting, open-ended energy source and so they're helping to save civilization.

Sounds to me like the guy is just tilting at windmills.

A friend of mine is an ornithologist who studies bird migration, and a while back he told me that some of the early wind farms were placed in spots that were, unfortunately, right in the middle of some major migration routes (such as areas near mountain passes, certain valleys, etc) (the steady winds work well to help birds move, just as they held propel blades on wind turbines). He said that once they began planning better by adding more focused studies of migration routes into the equation, the issue of killing birds has been addressed and the deaths greatly minimized.
 
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^Isn't part of it perspective you live in a city for you the cityscape is something you live with everyday so it's not unique, if you don't live in a city and visit one you have never been to for you it's something new. Same with windfarms if they are in your view all od the time there is nothing intersting about them,. And then there is of course NIMBYism where we can be in favour of something until it impacts us directly in some way. i.e I support windfarms so long as I don't have to look it at every day.
 
If he thinks wind farms are ugly, I wonder whether he's ever seen a big hydroelectric plant!

Possibly. Hydro electricity isn't that big in Australia. Tasmania uses it a bit but the biggest one would be the Snowy River Project in New South Wales (Abbott's home state).

But we're talking about a Prime Minister who's quite okay with the pollution (of all types) from coal mines.
 
93% of Tasmania's electricity comes from is renewable energy. Most of that is from hydroelectricity but there are also three wind farms. However we do have the fewest amount of homes with solar panels (only about 10%).

Before this change in government Tasmania was planning on reaching 100% renewable by 2020.
 
The ones I've seen are beautiful, like a field of giant futuristic flowers. I don't know if they're noisy, but I don't see why they would be or why it matters. It worries me that I've heard that a large number of birds are killed by flying into them, but I don't know if that's true or not. The bottom line is that they are a non-polluting, open-ended energy source and so they're helping to save civilization.

Sounds to me like the guy is just tilting at windmills.

A friend of mine is an ornithologist who studies bird migration, and a while back he told me that some of the early wind farms were placed in spots that were, unfortunately, right in the middle of some major migration routes (such as areas near mountain passes, certain valleys, etc) (the steady winds work well to help birds move, just as they held propel blades on wind turbines). He said that once they began planning better by adding more focused studies of migration routes into the equation, the issue of killing birds has been addressed and the deaths greatly minimized.
Thanks for that info. That's very encouraging.
 
Maybe I don't get close enough to them, but I've never heard them make a sound. As for appearance, I actually think they're kind of neat to look at.
 
I think they're beautiful. I've never understood people saying they were a blot on the landscape.
They are if you're into astronomy and have no dark skies within a reasonable distance:

Dark Sky Preserve in North Frontenac threatened by wind farm proposal

Wow...I can sure see people there are opposed to them. If it were not for the strobes, but I know they have to be there by law. I think I would also vote against, if it were going to impact my enjoyment and ability to see the night sky. Tough choices with that technology, for sure!
 
We have wind-farms in Rural Shropshire - a friend of mine was point them out to me

"I don't like them, they look ugly"

"What about the electricity pylons?"

"Oh I got used to them!"
 
I think they look wonderful, no idea on the noise because I've never been that close to them but they look fab on the horizon.
 
The thing that always weirds me out is when they're not running on especially windy days (ie its too windy!). I do understand why, it's just freaky!
 
The thing that always weirds me out is when they're not running on especially windy days (ie its too windy!). I do understand why, it's just freaky!

What weird sme out is when I see the giant propellers on the backs of semi trucks while driving down the highway. Those things are frickin huge!
 
I agree! Over a decade ago I was in California for the first time, driving eastward from San Francisco, up into the mountains to get over into the Central Valley, when I drove into a landscape of hillsides populated by huge white giants, slowly spinning their blades above the golden carpet of grasses at their feet. I thought it was beautiful and quite majestic. I was impressed. There are far worse things that humans have done to the landscape, but both beauty and ugliness are in the eye of the beholder.

We drive by there all the time. 580 at the Altamont Pass.

There has been some controversy regarding bird habitats, but I think that's settled now, and they are installing newer, more efficient turbines.

Anyway, I think they look cool.

:techman:
 
I think windmills look pretty awesome, especially the gigantic ones. I have no idea how noisy they are, but then they mostly seem to be situated in farmland in the middle of nowhere, so who the fuck cares?

I also like vertical axis windmills. They look even more artsy than the traditional ones.

I don't know what the people who think coal is "better" are smoking. I guess blowing up mountains and killing people with miner's lung and shaft collapses are "better"?
 
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