Will you have the Swine Flu shot?

[John Picard]

CDC: Fewer states seeing widespread swine flu

ATLANTA — Health officials say winter flu is just starting to show up in the U.S. while swine flu infections continue to wane.
Swine flu was widespread in only 14 states last week — mostly in the Northeast. That's down from 25 states the week before and 48 in late October. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released the new data Friday.
CDC officials said a shortage of swine flu vaccine is easing, with 85 million doses now available. About 98 percent of lab-confirmed influenza cases last week were swine flu, but the CDC also noted seasonal flu is increasing slightly.
The regular flu usually peaks in the winter.

Gee, what happened to the "Pandemic" I heard a great news story yesterday that detailed how the common cold is more on scale of being Pandemic than the H1N1. It seems that in order to reach Pandemic proportions one out of every 1,000 people have to be infected.

*yawn*

We keep dodging the bullet - but there is alwasy the danger that with things like the flu it can mutate, can change, can go pandemic

For all we know another 1918 Spanish Flu could just be around the corner.

Bullshit. SARS was nothing but panic -- zilch. Avian flu was panic -- zilch. Go through this thread and note a few of us who scorn the swine flu scare of the 1970's -- again, ZILCH.

Conditions aren't the same as 1918 by far. Hell, the last three flu seasons have been predicted to be bad and -- NOTHING.

Crock of shit.

 

[Marc]

CDC: Fewer states seeing widespread swine flu

Gee, what happened to the "Pandemic" I heard a great news story yesterday that detailed how the common cold is more on scale of being Pandemic than the H1N1. It seems that in order to reach Pandemic proportions one out of every 1,000 people have to be infected.

*yawn*

We keep dodging the bullet - but there is alwasy the danger that with things like the flu it can mutate, can change, can go pandemic

For all we know another 1918 Spanish Flu could just be around the corner.

Bullshit. SARS was nothing but panic -- zilch. Avian flu was panic -- zilch. Go through this thread and note a few of us who scorn the swine flu scare of the 1970's -- again, ZILCH.

Conditions aren't the same as 1918 by far. Hell, the last three flu seasons have been predicted to be bad and -- NOTHING.

Crock of shit.

Spanish flu was/is actually a strain of H1N1.

Today with mass transit a flu strain can spread much quicker.

So sure you can say it's a crock of shit but what might of happened if steps weren't taken.

It killed 50million people at time when the world population was approximtely 1.6 billion with approximtely 500million people being infected.

Today that the planetary population is 5.5 times what it was then. With those figures an out break like the Spanish flu would kill 250 million people (say 75% of the U.S population) and infect 2.5billion people (popluation of Chine and India combined).

Sure we've got modern medicine but we don't have anywhere near the capacity to treat the numbers of people who would be come ill especially as there will be times when there are complications on top of the flu it's self. The following link shows the potential for how the flu can strike down some-one who's health and lead to pretty nasty complications.
http://www.chextv.com/videos/Newswatch_PrimeauH1N1.WMV

Factor in the time needed to develope, produce and distribute a vaccine (at least 3 months) and if the flu does go pandemic we're in deep deep shit.

So you might say it's a crock ot shit but there's a damn good reason why authorities react the way they do.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

I just went and got it this morning...doing perfectly fine here.

I work in retail, and I can't afford to be missing work, so I figured I might as well go ahead and get the shot so I don't wind up getting sick and missing over something I could've prevented.

 

[Tim]

A batch of the IM vaccine arrived today, so I finally got my H1N1 jab. That said, incidence of H1N1 appears to be declining, but there is evidence that the vaccine offers some long-term protection.

 

[John Picard]

We keep dodging the bullet - but there is alwasy the danger that with things like the flu it can mutate, can change, can go pandemic

For all we know another 1918 Spanish Flu could just be around the corner.

Bullshit. SARS was nothing but panic -- zilch. Avian flu was panic -- zilch. Go through this thread and note a few of us who scorn the swine flu scare of the 1970's -- again, ZILCH.

Conditions aren't the same as 1918 by far. Hell, the last three flu seasons have been predicted to be bad and -- NOTHING.

Crock of shit.

Spanish flu was/is actually a strain of H1N1.

Today with mass transit a flu strain can spread much quicker.

So sure you can say it's a crock of shit but what might of happened if steps weren't taken.

It killed 50million people at time when the world population was approximtely 1.6 billion with approximtely 500million people being infected.

Today that the planetary population is 5.5 times what it was then. With those figures an out break like the Spanish flu would kill 250 million people (say 75% of the U.S population) and infect 2.5billion people (popluation of Chine and India combined).

Sure we've got modern medicine but we don't have anywhere near the capacity to treat the numbers of people who would be come ill especially as there will be times when there are complications on top of the flu it's self. The following link shows the potential for how the flu can strike down some-one who's health and lead to pretty nasty complications.
http://www.chextv.com/videos/Newswatch_PrimeauH1N1.WMV

Factor in the time needed to develope, produce and distribute a vaccine (at least 3 months) and if the flu does go pandemic we're in deep deep shit.

So you might say it's a crock ot shit but there's a damn good reason why authorities react the way they do.

Blah blah blah blah. *IF* it were a problem the governments would be containing any and all international travel.

Access to medical care
Access to medicine
Hygiene
Sanitation

Those four factors are what separates us today from 1918. Every year there are vaccines for the flu strains they *THINK* will be prevalent, and every year they are wrong.

Bunch of needless panic.

 

[Marc]

Bullshit. SARS was nothing but panic -- zilch. Avian flu was panic -- zilch. Go through this thread and note a few of us who scorn the swine flu scare of the 1970's -- again, ZILCH.

Conditions aren't the same as 1918 by far. Hell, the last three flu seasons have been predicted to be bad and -- NOTHING.

Crock of shit.

Spanish flu was/is actually a strain of H1N1.

Today with mass transit a flu strain can spread much quicker.

So sure you can say it's a crock of shit but what might of happened if steps weren't taken.

It killed 50million people at time when the world population was approximtely 1.6 billion with approximtely 500million people being infected.

Today that the planetary population is 5.5 times what it was then. With those figures an out break like the Spanish flu would kill 250 million people (say 75% of the U.S population) and infect 2.5billion people (popluation of Chine and India combined).

Sure we've got modern medicine but we don't have anywhere near the capacity to treat the numbers of people who would be come ill especially as there will be times when there are complications on top of the flu it's self. The following link shows the potential for how the flu can strike down some-one who's health and lead to pretty nasty complications.
http://www.chextv.com/videos/Newswatch_PrimeauH1N1.WMV

Factor in the time needed to develope, produce and distribute a vaccine (at least 3 months) and if the flu does go pandemic we're in deep deep shit.

So you might say it's a crock ot shit but there's a damn good reason why authorities react the way they do.

Blah blah blah blah. *IF* it were a problem the governments would be containing any and all international travel.

Access to medical care
Access to medicine
Hygiene
Sanitation

Those four factors are what separates us today from 1918. Every year there are vaccines for the flu strains they *THINK* will be prevalent, and every year they are wrong.

Bunch of needless panic.

a) access to medical is still limited - we have a much larger populations now which is why waiting times at hospitals never go down.

b) sure we have access to medication but there's now debate over just how effective tamiflu (the main anti-flu medication) is.

c) basic hygiene is still the same as it was 90 years ago. We still wash our hands with soap and water and blow our nose with tissues.

Every year the flu strain changes and they have to taylor the vaccine to suit that strain - tough luck if an unexecpted strain (such as H1N1 crops).

If you don't want to get the flu shot that's your choice but I hope to fuck you have the decency to stay at home so you don't pass it on to other people.

 

[The Castellan]

Hell no. I don't take vacinaitons. Plus I think pig flu is so overated....I mean more people die of the seasonal flu than this damned pig flu...why is this made to look like a pandemic? Gimme a break. As someone mentioned, SARS, bird flu, etc....I feel it's just fear mongering.

Plus I know several nurses who won't take the shots, and will NEVER give them to their friends and family. Makes one wonder why, yes?

 

[Tim]

Plus I know several nurses who won't take the shots, and will NEVER give them to their friends and family. Makes one wonder why, yes?

It does, as there isn't really any serious risk associated with the H1N1 (not "swine" or "pig") flu vaccine beyond those of the regular flu vaccine.

 

[Marc]

Plus I know several nurses who won't take the shots, and will NEVER give them to their friends and family. Makes one wonder why, yes?

becasue some people are fucking stupid. Just look at the people who believe that the Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism despite only report ever making the claim, no one else able to reproduce the results and that person behind the report was facing prosecution for fraud.

 

[Kira Nerys]

nope

 

[Tim]

Plus I know several nurses who won't take the shots, and will NEVER give them to their friends and family. Makes one wonder why, yes?

becasue some people are fucking stupid. Just look at the people who believe that the Measles Mumps Rubella (MMR) vaccine causes autism despite only report ever making the claim, no one else able to reproduce the results and that person behind the report was facing prosecution for fraud.

Plus, thymerosal has been phased out of most vaccines.

 

[Wicca who Wonta]

I took the shot last thursday. As it's free over here I found no reason to decline having it. The only side effect I had was a sore arm.

About the side effects, I'd say not to take it if you generally get bad side effects from medicine. Otherwise you'll probably be alright.

 

[John Picard]

I took the shot last thursday. As it's free over here I found no reason to decline having it. The only side effect I had was a sore arm.

About the side effects, I'd say not to take it if you generally get bad side effects from medicine. Otherwise you'll probably be alright.

You know, when I enlisted in the Navy we were given the Typhoid shot for free. Between that and a kick in the groin, I couldn't tell you which is worse.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

I took the shot last thursday. As it's free over here I found no reason to decline having it. The only side effect I had was a sore arm.

About the side effects, I'd say not to take it if you generally get bad side effects from medicine. Otherwise you'll probably be alright.

You know, when I enlisted in the Navy we were given the Typhoid shot for free. Between that and a kick in the groin, I couldn't tell you which is worse.

Well I can tell you which I'd prefer out of all the vaccinations I've had a and a kick in the groin... and it wouldn't be the kick in the groin.

 

[John Picard]

I took the shot last thursday. As it's free over here I found no reason to decline having it. The only side effect I had was a sore arm.

About the side effects, I'd say not to take it if you generally get bad side effects from medicine. Otherwise you'll probably be alright.

You know, when I enlisted in the Navy we were given the Typhoid shot for free. Between that and a kick in the groin, I couldn't tell you which is worse.

Well I can tell you which I'd prefer out of all the vaccinations I've had a and a kick in the groin... and it wouldn't be the kick in the groin.

You may be correct, considering new reports that the children's vaccinations are turning up bad.

Kids' Swine flu shots recalled; not strong enough

ATLANTA – Hundreds of thousands of swine flu shots for children have been recalled because tests indicate the vaccine doses lost some strength, government health officials said Tuesday.
The recall is for about 800,000 pre-filled syringes intended for young children, ages 6 months to nearly 3 years. The shots, made by Sanofi Pasteur, were distributed across the country last month and most have already been used, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Oops, we fucked up, but that's OK. All this hysteria over nothing.

 

[John Picard]

More fuel for the Swine Flu and Hand Sanitzers are Bullshit fire.

Using hand sanitizer won't necessarily kill 99.99 per cent of germs on your hands despite the claims made by many such products, a CBC investigation has found.
CBC News tested three popular sanitizers — top-selling Purell, President's Choice and Soapopular — on a class of Grade 8 students at Ryerson Middle School in Hamilton, Ont., last month.
President's Choice and Purell both contain alcohol, while Soapopular contains no alcohol but rather the anti-bacterial agent benzalkonium chloride.

President's Choice killed an average of 54.6 per cent of microbes on the kids' hands. Purell killed about 60.4 per cent. And Soapopular killed 46 per cent.
So why did CBC's results differ so much from the claims on hand-sanitizer bottles and websites?
According to Tetro, the companies are not deliberately misleading consumers. They've had to test their products in accredited labs before Health Canada would allow them to make the 99.99 per cent claim.

The companies acknowledged that sanitizers are an alternative when soap and water aren't available, but they are not meant to substitute for hand washing.
So it all comes back to the advice that doctors and mothers give all the time: Wash your hands with soap and water.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

As I mentioned before, I had the shot last week.

Still tickin' along just fine.

 

[John Picard]

I like Maddox's take on the swine flu bullshit.

 

[Hoser]

Been trying to, but between colds and scheduling problems, haven't been able to.
Sure, I could probably survive the thing, but I'm not taking the chance that I'll spread it to others that wouldn't. And I already know of enough people that have been hurt by it....

 

[Data Holmes]

I already got mine some time back.