i'm sure this movie will lose some fans, but also gain some. same for everything, you can't expect everyone to like it. i'm sure next generation lost trek fans too, but it gained more than it lost.
Will Trek XI repel old fans?
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Bad reaction to ST IV? Why?
) will leave for good instead of watching the next 100 episodes and hating 97.333333 recurring. The rest of us can enjoy and give out well thought out, critical but fair opinions.
ST-One
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For goodness' sake. What is your malfunction?
ST-One
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I beg your pardon?
He waltzes into these threads, belittles anyone who hopes that Star Trek turns out to be a good film, insults the creative team of Star Trek (without having seen what they created); and all that because of 'the attitude of his fellow posters'?
OK MattJC, I'll bite...
...Since you brought it up, please demonstrate for me the excessive and rampant "worshipping of Abrams" from the majority of posters on this board.
All I mostly see is a bunch of Star Trek fans who are hopefully awaiting the release of the next Star Trek film by discussing the positive things they would hope the director is including in this film, whoever that director may be -- in this case it's Abrams.
...I mean, why in the world would fans of a film they know very little about would discuss how bad they think the film will be and how bad a job they imagine the director is doing. I say "think" and "imagine" since we don't know anything about this film except the cast and the general timeframe.
Granted, on this board there are a few fans of Abrams' past work who have a more positive attitude about this film (they're allowed to do that), and there are a few people who don't like Abrams' body of work who give well-thought-out reasons for being worried about this film (and they, too, are certainly allowed to express their opinion).
However, I see very little excessive, over-the-top, and extravagant opinions of Abrams on this board -- except by you.
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ST-One
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Okay, Matt, you got your two cents' worth in. Now cool it.
Captain X, you're not helping.
M', very old fan, not repelled, but knows where the topic is
What she said.
No really, an "old fan" must be someone who, depite so many things that have gone wrong with Trek, still manages to look forward to this new film, and does not care about things that don't matter. Being an "old fan" isn't about age, but experience.
I hope it'll be good, I'm not repelled yet. I am repelled by some of the fans though...
Keep working on that routine, it's getting funnier.
Keep working on that routine, it's getting funnier.
Our Sydney club actually had a mass exodus of "old fans" who were very disillusioned by ST IV, which they saw as the "dumbing down of ST to appeal to the masses". We ran a very pithy debating panel after the film called "Star Trek: IV or Against".
Then came an announcement that TNG was coming.
Of course, both productions also saw our numbers swell from about 400 members to 1000 by the time TNG was ending.
No really, an "old fan" must be someone who, depite so many things that have gone wrong with Trek, still manages to look forward to this new film, and does not care about things that don't matter. Being an "old fan" isn't about age, but experience.
I consider myself "an old fan", but I entered fandom on the coattails of the media excitement for ST:TMP, so I'll always be "a newbie" to the TOS fans who were there on premiere night in the 60s.
But this new old fan can't wait for ST XI, and all news on it so far has kept buoying my anticipation. I regret that fans such as MattJC are so determined to be passionately close-minded. There were fans just like him in 1978, dreading the outcome of TMP, and predicting doom and gloom, and some of them feel vindicated to this day that it was the beginning of the end, but I've also seen some TMP detractors get quite nostalgic for that movie over time, and will grudgingly admit that they enjoyed much of ST to come after.
Funnily enough, some fans dropped off during the run of TNG, only to come back full throttle for VOY, and other for ENT. Sometimes they'll talk about VOY (or ENT) as if it's totally unrelated SF shows, with few connections to "the canon"/"the franchise".
I for one am willing to share my popcorn with MattJC on 050809... as long as he sits quietly and lets me enjoy the film.
Someone upthread said they'd welcome the old fans to sit alongside them in the theater. Well in that same spirit, we of the first generation welcome you whippersnappers into our galaxy. We hope you find as much joy and adventure here as we have over the decades.
Someone upthread said they'd welcome the old fans to sit alongside them in the theater. Well in that same spirit, we of the first generation welcome you whippersnappers into our galaxy. We hope you find as much joy and adventure here as we have over the decades.
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They tend to be each others' own best fans, feeding their hatred.
That wasn't the topic I had in mind. Could we get back to this one now?They tend to be each others' own best fans, feeding their hatred.
Will Trek XI repel old fans?
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To steer this in a more productive way, though I'm looking forward to the movie, if I end up not liking it, then I'll say so.
What I'm expecting is a PG-13 three-star movie where a story is told from a period the movies haven't touched where there was an opening left by the TV series. One of the advantages of TOS not having a "how it all started" pilot, i.e. "Encounter at Farpoint", et al.
I'm not expecting Masterpiece Theatre or "TEH BEST MOVIE EVAR!!!111" and I don't see how anticipating ST XI, even moderately or mildly, translates into brown-nosing JJ Abrams, so I take issue with that sweeping generalization. I know I speak for others as well.
What I'm expecting is a PG-13 three-star movie where a story is told from a period the movies haven't touched where there was an opening left by the TV series. One of the advantages of TOS not having a "how it all started" pilot, i.e. "Encounter at Farpoint", et al.
I'm not expecting Masterpiece Theatre or "TEH BEST MOVIE EVAR!!!111" and I don't see how anticipating ST XI, even moderately or mildly, translates into brown-nosing JJ Abrams, so I take issue with that sweeping generalization. I know I speak for others as well.
If I don't like the movie I will hammer JJ but I won't spend months before we have even see a dam full trailer calling everyone who has hope in the film and JJ/His team who are working hard am sure to give us something we will be proud to call Star Trek.
The original ST is not some sort of holy book that is not allowed to be retouched infact it was a complete failure that was lucky to even last 3 seasons, its ok to like it but saying JJ and his lot are idiots who don't know what there doing and saying they will ruin it without no evidence to prove it, is pure childish B/S.
So with that in mind yes the older fans can go away and be turned off by this movie for the sake of the franchise, we need new fans to keep ST alive because we have lost the old ones so why the hell should JJ make a movie for them, we need a 21st century ST.
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