Will TMP DC (& II/VI) ever come to blu ray?

[Smellmet]

My opinion, but the only sure way to preserve these things is through physical media. If, heaven forbid, there was catastrophic event that heavily damaged or destroyed the infrastructure of the internet, all of the "purchased" online digital media would be unavailable or just gone.

"That can't happen!" you say? Maybe, but better safe than sorry.

I enjoy owning the media, I love my 1-10 box set and ST09/STID Blu rays, it's the extras, the cover artwork, I like to see them on my shelf. I've got Netflix for films/TV that a don't really care about as much, hell if I saw a great movie on there that I really loved I'd still get the Blu Ray.

I'm having a similar discussion on an Apple forum about them killing the ipod in favor of streaming services, a lot of people don't get that my 15000 strong itunes library or my 500+ DVDs on my shelf are a reflection of me and my tastes. Having it all at your fingertips is impersonal in my view, but like I said I still use them, but my categorised shelf and music library a personal to me.

Back on topic, I'd love them to do TMP DE on Blu Ray, it's right up there with my favorites, so here's hoping with the 50th coming up.

 

[Khan 2.0]

also the DC group commentary has Collins

 

[Smellmet]

This is why I'm dubious about online streaming and the likes of 'cloud' services. Give me multiple back-ups on optical media any day over having to rely solely upon digital distribution.

I know I've said this before, but it speaks volumes to me that when Microsoft announced XbOne, they declared that it would be the world's first digital-only games console, without retail on optical media. This was quickly (and quietly) dropped from the package, presumably because someone in the technical boffins department made a phone call to the sales branch and said "Um, guys, actually there's no way we can possibly assure the compliance of that sales strategy". So there we have an example where it was realised that optical media isn't dead yet.

Maybe in the future it'll happen. Maybe there will be a time when physical media is extinct. But I'd wager that time is not RIGHT NOW, despite what all the chicken little's on the internet screaming their heads off about it.

I see no reason why the two can't co exist, horses for courses and all that. Loss/theft/corruption of data or even the online service itself is not guaranteed. I live 20 miles from a major British city and can barely get a mobile signal, and only a rudimentary broadband service. So streaming for music on the go especially for me is a no-no. Netflix like I said does a great job for me catching up on things I don't want to buy and vice versa.

 

[Lance]

This is why I'm dubious about online streaming and the likes of 'cloud' services. Give me multiple back-ups on optical media any day over having to rely solely upon digital distribution.

I know I've said this before, but it speaks volumes to me that when Microsoft announced XbOne, they declared that it would be the world's first digital-only games console, without retail on optical media. This was quickly (and quietly) dropped from the package, presumably because someone in the technical boffins department made a phone call to the sales branch and said "Um, guys, actually there's no way we can possibly assure the compliance of that sales strategy". So there we have an example where it was realised that optical media isn't dead yet.

I see no reason why the two can't co exist, horses for courses and all that. Loss/theft/corruption of data or even the online service itself is not guaranteed. I live 20 miles from a major British city and can barely get a mobile signal, and only a rudimentary broadband service. So streaming for music on the go especially for me is a no-no. Netflix like I said does a great job for me catching up on things I don't want to buy and vice versa.

True. I've often wondered if this was the real reason that Microsoft made the decision they did, to backtrack on their original announcement: after the initial enthusiasm for this "brave new world" died down, all that was left was market research that told them internet services are still too patchy in too many places for it to be the only option available to consumers. Meanwhile, Sony just strode forward and immediately said "Naw, we'll still do physical media", and made Microsoft look like chumps.

I do still think even broadband connections are too unreliable in too many places geographically for it to be a perfect solution, at least at this stage. That's why I think all the people rushing to claim the days of physical media are over are maybe overstating the case. It's all very well if you live in a major metropolitan centre where coverage is good, but out here in the sticks it ain't so cut and dried.....

 

[urbandefault]

Regardless, there are a lot of people embracing the trend toward streaming and cloud storage only. The success of iTunes is just one example.

I prefer to have a "hard" copy of my movies and music, as well as home and cloud backups. Redundancy is good.

 

[Lance]

^ Oh, I don't doubt it's being embraced. People like to have options. I only question the speed with which people, both inside the industry and some outside of it, seem to think it that trend means consumers "only" want those things, and that the change is happening right now.

IMO, the option of online streaming and cloud storage is fine for things one wants to watch, a bit like a semi-permanent hire shop, or in the case of cloud services for wholely expendable items. But not for things one might like to actually want to keep/collect. As the technology becomes more reliable, maybe. In the future. But right now I think physical media still has a role, and I think it would be very hasty for the industry to abandon it at this time. I think they'd soon come to realize what a regrettable decision that was, as the logistical headaches started popping up (just as Microsoft seemed to have realized with their announcement; the world just wasn't "ready" for that kind of commitment yet ).

 

[Khan 2.0]

finally got Legends of the Final Frontier set on blu (UK) and theres no denying its a fantastic set even without the DCs of TMP/II/VI (its ok anyway as can just slot the DC dvds of II/VI in the II/VI blu cases and just keep the TMP DC as a sepearte 2 disc dvd. Simple)

couple of things bugging me though – the omission of all the I-VI storyboards/production photos that were on the SE DVDs (and I believe are on the US Region 1 blus) as well as the Montalban tribute on II (which I believe is on the Region 1 blu) unless they are hidden away somewhere as easter eggs on the discs?

Oh and the Captains Summit was pretty good.. at first thought it woud be abit of a drag to watch but as it went on I realised just how momentous a meeting it was getting them together. Frakes/Stewarts 'kneeling' story was pretty funny. Pity they didnt just focus more on the movies though (Shatner didnt get to go into V at all, Nimoy didnt talk IV, Frakes didnt really go into much details about FC and nothing about INS or why he didnt do NEM) and it was a bit annoying when Goldberg didnt seem to realize she was in Generations and got a few things wrong though ('William how did you feel when Leonard was chosen to direct the first Star Trek Generations movie?' WTF?) I thought she like loved Star Trek so much she had to be in it? Wouldve been better had they got some real (famous) trekkie to moderate it who made sure the 4 got asked cool questions about ALL the movies – just gone through all of them

 

[Lance]

My opinion, but the only sure way to preserve these things is through physical media. If, heaven forbid, there was catastrophic event that heavily damaged or destroyed the infrastructure of the internet, all of the "purchased" online digital media would be unavailable or just gone.

"That can't happen!" you say? Maybe, but better safe than sorry.

Heck, look at recent events.

PSN and Xbox Live being hacked and going down for a day, or even the infamous 'SimCity' fiasco where gamers who had bought the title legitimately couldn't actually play because the server they needed to connect to was down, is all the proof we need that this 'brave new world' of online streaming being the only way to watch our media in the future is a flawed line of thinking.

I'd like to hope the broader consumer base is smart enough to realize that. But alas, I fear they probably are not.

The false notion that technology will never fail us, or that the failsafes will in themselves have another failsafe just in case the original failsafe fails, is the reason why this shit is a *real* concern. If media companies ever decide to transfer everything to digital, and then save money by getting rid of all those expensive facilities where the original film copies are kept preserved, then a catastrophic hard-drive crash could be all it takes to lose something forever.

 

[Grant]

Only Trek available on Blu-ray I don't own.

Movies 1-6

I would pay a hefty price for the DC versions of 1,2 and 6 and would buy any set that included them.

My money has been sitting waiting for 5+ years and they still keep repackaging the same bare versions.

I hope they do something in 2016.

I'm in for 2 sets--a set to watch and a spare set--in case my collection is stolen as happened before.

 

[Aldo]

I haven't gotten the blurays yet either because TWOK DC is the superior version. I can pass on the other two as I feel they are fine as is, but I won't get any sets until Trek II is available in the DC.

 

[Maurice]

After reading the massive Return to Tomorrow book about TMP it's even more evident that the DE is not the "original intent" that Sharpline claimed it was. The 1979-1980 interviews make that abundantly clear. That's not to categorically state the theatrical cut is "better", but just that the DE really is a 20-years-on rethink of the movie and not what was intended in 1979.

 

[Aldo]

Which is kind of why I'm not interested in ever seeing it (the TMP DC that is). I love the movie "as is" and I'm not about to watch anything that cuts out the things that I enjoy about the movie.

 

[Grant]

I haven't gotten the blurays yet either because TWOK DC is the superior version. I can pass on the other two as I feel they are fine as is, but I won't get any sets until Trek II is available in the DC.

It doesn't matter what version anyone considers superior--it is a format that was designed for maximum features.

The picture should be First Rate--not "better than the DVD"

It should include all versions and

it should include deleted scenes from 2, 3, 4 and 6

They gave us versions that are loaded with defects including the unforgivable "window-boxing" of the credits for Trek 3 and too much DNR on most of the movies, the wrong color correction for TWOK and made no effort to dig out the dleeted scenes from the vault (Except a couple of shots of alternate takes for TUC)

This is not in any way a proper release for something as beloved at Trek and with fans as loyal to the franchise as many of us are.

I've bought the movies 9 times in 4 formats and I am willing to fork over more cash--if they do it right.

 

[Aldo]

I never said they shouldn't put those versions on bluray. I just said that it's not a deal breaker for me, but TWOK DC is, which is why I haven't purchased any bluray sets of the TOS films yet.

 

[Grant]

I never said they shouldn't put those versions on bluray. I just said that it's not a deal breaker for me, but TWOK DC is, which is why I haven't purchased any bluray sets of the TOS films yet.

didn't mean to imply that was your position!

BUT, if they release a new set with TMP DC and not the other 2--I'll pass.

There are surely some folks who would say if the release the alternate version of TWOK and TUC but NOT the TMP DC--they would pass.

So if Paramount has some crazy idea that they can do one or two of the movies but not all----then they are just that... crazy.

I've bought all the original 6 trek movies for the last time unless they want to give my a proper set that includes any 2 of these 3 things

1. deleted scenes--all of them--not just a small sampling.
2. Proper restorations
3. All the alternate versions.

Anything less and I will sit it out.

 

[Aldo]

Fair enough.

I think with Bluray they'd be able to include both versions of the films and please all fans.

 

[NewHorizon]

Which is kind of why I'm not interested in ever seeing it (the TMP DC that is). I love the movie "as is" and I'm not about to watch anything that cuts out the things that I enjoy about the movie.

Clearly, that's your choice, but for my money TMPE was a much better version of the movie. Original intent or not, the movie felt 'finished' and I suspect having it feel finished was the primary intent. Personally, I found the DE a huge improvement over a movie I had watched many times growing up....and of course, the theatrical cut is still there. I respect that Robert Wise felt the film was never properly finished and having said that, I really do hope they get the DE team back together to prep it for release on bluray.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I dread to think how much a 13 movie box-set's going to cost Christmas 2016. That is if dread is the right word. I guess I do enjoy speculating on the special packaging such a beast might get. Like the X-Men Cerebro helmet or that Planet of the Apes Caesar one you can see listed on Amazon.

The reboot having been absorbed into the whole, with the next one somehow having other old guard cameos and spin-off guest appearances aplenty, miraculously without throwing the whole alternate reality thing off its stride at all. Yes, a crazy thought... asking a heck of a lot.

 

[Lance]

The thing that surprised me most when I got the original Blu Rays, being as I am more familiar with the Director's Edition and before that the 'Special Longer Version', is just how competent I actually found the theatrical cut. It's way under-rated, much more enjoyable on it's own merits than anyone gives it credit for. Or maybe it was just my unfamiliarity with that particular cut which made me see it in a completely positive light. But y'know, I give it props.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I confess a fondness for the theatrical, having never even encountered the "Special Longer Version" until the 90s and its video release. Exclusive to Woolworths. I understand that might've been the one shown on TV for a lot of people. But I never seemed to catch it here in the UK.

Director's Edition is far and away my favourite, (despite all the wrong audio sounds) simply for trimming down the VFX which do go on a bit too long. There's a limit even to awe-inspiring. In other cases, breaking them down with more reaction shots involving the crew. Then full-blown scenes like Spock's profound explanation, on the bridge, of what V'Ger wants or Kirk sombrely ordering Scotty to prepare the self-destruct.

The additional FX were blended in nicely, offering angles we never saw before to add variation to the journey. The reveal of the V'Ger ship itself, seemed a fair extrapolation based on the weird random bits the Enterprise flied over.