Will things get hot in Syria?

[Gingerbread Demon]

Now that Russia has come into play doing air strikes in Syria is this all going to get really messy?

They are according to mainstream media not hitting ISIS but the rebels instead. So won't this just make things messy for everyone there, not that we should be there anyway I say let them sort their own mess out.

 

[Hound of UIster]

1) You are vastly overestimating the effectiveness of the Russians.

They can never turn the tide not when they are shackled to a regime that has managed to be incompetent enough to lose 2/3 of their own country to the various rebel groups and managed to turn a protest movement against them into a full blown civil war.

2) Various western nations just aren't interested in deploying large troops into this clusterfuck. It's a meatgrinder that is devouring the resources of the Russians and Iranians.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

You are vastly overestimating the effectiveness of the Russians.

They can never turn the tide not when they are shackled to a regime that has managed to be incompetent enough to lose 2/3 of their own country to the various rebel groups and managed to turn a protest movement against them into a full blown civil war.

That's true I suppose. But then why did Asaad ask Putin for help? Don't the USA and allies have troops there too? I'm worried this might get even more messy.

 

[Hound of UIster]

The regime is short on manpower. Their best units are worn out. They are not in a good position. Both they and the Russians are desperate.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The regime is short on manpower. Their best units are worn out. They are not in a good position. Both they and the Russians are desperate.

But why are the allies there?

Was it just because they think ISIS is there?

 

[Starkers]

Syria is now a complete and utter mess, and you have to wonder whether things might have been different if the West had taken action a couple of years ago when Assad started using chemical weapons. I know Libya suggests it might not have helped but I have seen some reports that suggest the rise of IS was, in part, down to a lot of the moderate/potentially moderate anti Assad units feeling they had no choice but to ally with the more extreme elements which started a bit of a snowball.

I know that's probably hopelessly simplistic and not necessarily the whole story but it is interesting that when Putin brokered the deal to rid Syria of chemical weapons a lot of people did hail him as an international statesman, Russia had the winter Olympics and seemed to be becoming a player on the world stage, then came the crackdown on homosexuality in Russia, the annexation of Crimea, the continuing trouble in Ukraine and now the revelations of what we've known for weeks, that Russian troops are propping up Assad.

You can take the man out of the KGB but you can't take the KGB out of the man

My fear is the potential for an incident with Russian and American/allied planes in the sky. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to fire on the other (no perceived enemy has an air force as far as I'm aware!) but without coordination there's the possibility, however slight, of an accident, and if a Russian fighter and an American fighter go down will either side allow time to determine whether it was an accidental collision or one or both pilots going cowboy in the heat of the moment, or will they react first and think later?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

But Asad asked for the Russians so shouldn't all the allies move out?

 

[{ Emilia }]

But Asad asked for the Russians so shouldn't all the allies move out?

What allies? Whose allies? Who are you talking about?

Right now there's Assad, the rebels, IS in the east and some Kurds along the Northern border.

 

[Starkers]

I think he means the Americans et al, who aren't technically in Syria, they're just occasionally over it!

 

[{ Emilia }]

I think he means the Americans et al, who aren't technically in Syria, they're just occasionally over it!

As it is now I don't think Russians and Americans will get in each other's way much.

 

[Starkers]

Depends if the Russians are actually bombing the US backed rebels.

 

[EmoBorg]

If the Russians bomb the Kurds, what will be the U.S reaction ?

 

[{ Emilia }]

Depends if the Russians are actually bombing the US backed rebels.

Allegedly that just happened.

 

[Starkers]

That seems to be the case.

 

[JES]

Well, if Russia does start air-bombing our government/military-backed rebels, then we should tell Russia to back off, or their planes might start falling out of the sky to protect our allies.

But I just really, really hate Assad for using Sarin (whoever gave the order probably deserves to know how it feels themselves, which was basically included not being able to breathe, and this stuff was used on kids too! I also remember one survivor saying it felt like his chest was on fire), and anyone who would ally with that bastard.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And Chinese troops ere there now to back up Russia. This will be interesting.

No one has the balls to tell Russia to back off that would be a bad move.

 

[EmoBorg]

And Chinese troops ere there now to back up Russia. This will be interesting.

No one has the balls to tell Russia to back off that would be a bad move.

Chinese troops where ?

 

[EmoBorg]

The U.S lost thousands of lives and spent 1 to 2 trilions on the Iraq war and now we got an Iran backed Shite Government in Baghdad, Sunnis extremist called ISIS in North Western Iraq and a Russians military presence in Baghdad.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/...oordination-hub--russian-official/535970.html

If North Koreans missiles start appearing in Iraq or Syria, The Iraq war will be the greatest clusterfuck ever.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And Chinese troops ere there now to back up Russia. This will be interesting.

No one has the balls to tell Russia to back off that would be a bad move.

Chinese troops where ?

Here

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/sources-chinese-naval-vessel-located-off-syrian-coast/

and here

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/chinese-troops-join-russian-marines-syria-soon-says-report-648246

 

[EmoBorg]

And Chinese troops ere there now to back up Russia. This will be interesting.

No one has the balls to tell Russia to back off that would be a bad move.

Chinese troops where ?

Here

http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/sources-chinese-naval-vessel-located-off-syrian-coast/

and here

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/chinese-troops-join-russian-marines-syria-soon-says-report-648246