Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[Dales]

there is no need to as the Nu univerise is a separate reaity,it is in its own self contained universe

 

[M'Sharak]

Wait, we don't get to call them beatniks anymore? Or bohemians?

I'm so behind the times . . .

I thought they were Bohemians?

Capital 'B' Bohemian is the more or less the same as Czech. Small 'b' for the 90s beatnik/hippie bohemians (Bourgeois bohemians, or "bobos"—bohos from upper-middle-class or wealthy families and living in better neighborhoods—sort of morphed into hipsters in more recent years.)

 

[urbandefault]

Wait, we don't get to call them beatniks anymore? Or bohemians?

I'm so behind the times . . .

I thought they were Bohemians?

Capital 'B' Bohemian is the more or less the same as Czech. Small 'b' for the 90s beatnik/hippie bohemians (or "bobos," if they're from upper-middle-class or wealthy families and are just slumming on daddy's money.)

90s?

It goes much farther back than that.

Maynard G. Krebs was a parody of the late 50s/early 60s Beatnik, and the origin was at least a couple of decades earlier.

But every generation thinks what is hip is brand new. Not so much. Every fad has been done before, in some form or another.

 

[Greg Cox]

One would think that the bohemians thing would go back at least as far "La Boheme," which debuted around 1895 . . ..

 

[M'Sharak]

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90s?

It goes much farther back than that.

Maynard G. Krebs was a parody of the late 50s/early 60s Beatnik, and the origin was at least a couple of decades earlier.

Thank you, O Oracle of Wisdom. I specified 90s because I was talking about them specifically, and not about the Beat Generation types of the 1940s and 50s. And yeeees, bohemianism, as a movement, goes back much farther than that (see previous sentence as to why I wasn't talking about them; see also: La bohème, composed in 1896 and depicting a lifestyle at that time already decades established in Europe. Good thing we've got all that sorted out now, right?)

But every generation thinks what is hip is brand new. Not so much. Every fad has been done before, in some form or another.

And then there are folks who labor under the pretense that only they understand this, and they wait for opportunities to mock those (pretty much everyone else) whom they believe to be uninformed.

Next time? Spare me the smug pedantry, unless you can tell me something I don't, in fact, already know.

 

[JWPlatt]

Wow, that whole post was all about smug. What did urbandefault do to deserve being accused of not knowing what someone else knows? Sometimes, people says things they think others might not know, but might enjoy knowing - and not just the poster quoted. I enjoyed being reminded of Bob Denver, for example.

 

[urbandefault]

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90s?

It goes much farther back than that.

Maynard G. Krebs was a parody of the late 50s/early 60s Beatnik, and the origin was at least a couple of decades earlier.

Thank you, O Oracle of Wisdom. I specified 90s because I was talking about them specifically, and not about the Beat Generation types of the 1940s and 50s. And yeeees, bohemianism, as a movement, goes back much farther than that (see previous sentence as to why I wasn't talking about them; see also: La bohème, composed in 1896 and depicting a lifestyle at that time already decades established in Europe. Good thing we've got all that sorted out now, right?)

But every generation thinks what is hip is brand new. Not so much. Every fad has been done before, in some form or another.

And then there are folks who labor under the pretense that only they understand this, and they wait for opportunities to mock those (pretty much everyone else) whom they believe to be uninformed.

Next time? Spare me the smug pedantry, unless you can tell me something I don't, in fact, already know.

Next time, if you're giving a history lesson, how about widening it up a bit so the kids don't assume that's all there is.

If I was going to mock, the mockee would certainly know that I, the mocker, was absolutely mocking the said mockee. In this case, no. The mockee was mistaken in the intent, and was not mocked, and the mocker was instead, a rocker.

But now I want to talk about hairstyles.

 

[BeatleJWOL]

 

[TRON JA307020]

No, I wasn't calling you out or anything like that. I just referenced your post because it reminded me of my bf, who very much falls in with your line about "glass half full." Like I said, my bf was a newbie who found TNG because of current Trek. He had *at least* 170 hours of enjoyment in front of him, just from that one show itself.

My line about how there's no competition needed between the two continuities, I thought, was in support of your post as well. If one acts as a doorway to the other, then they're working in conjunction with each other, which is a good thing.

If there's a value judgment there, it's that I really value the fact that my bf is encountering Prime Trek for the first time, which is something that no current Trekkie can ever do again. That's for future Trekkies to experience, and that's thanks to Abrams.



Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I ask because, well, the pretentious hipster stereotype is pretty well known, and exists in a lot of countries.

Not old but to old to really know who these people are. They sound strange and really self absorbed.

I'm sure your generation had them, too. But under a different name. I know mine did.

I am a Generation X. I hate labels but unfortunately that's what the idiotic media calls us. I know my generation thought hippies were weird. I guess we had long haired "burn outs" but they weren't really like what this hipster definition implies. I really don't know of a equivalent. We also had preppies, nerds etc.

 

[Cyke101]

Not old but to old to really know who these people are. They sound strange and really self absorbed.

I'm sure your generation had them, too. But under a different name. I know mine did.

I am a Generation X. I hate labels but unfortunately that's what the idiotic media calls us. I know my generation thought hippies were weird. I guess we had long haired "burn outs" but they weren't really like what this hipster definition implies. I really don't know of a equivalent. We also had preppies, nerds etc.

If it's Generation X, I'd think some elements of the grunge movement turned into the Alternative or Indie movement -- that is, a demographic of young people in their teens and twenties rejecting mass consumerism; indeed, a counter to preppy Yuppies that grew popular in the 80s.

I'm really taken aback by the number of hipsters today who dress like old episodes of Pete & Pete from 20 years ago.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I'm sure your generation had them, too. But under a different name. I know mine did.

I am a Generation X. I hate labels but unfortunately that's what the idiotic media calls us. I know my generation thought hippies were weird. I guess we had long haired "burn outs" but they weren't really like what this hipster definition implies. I really don't know of a equivalent. We also had preppies, nerds etc.

If it's Generation X, I'd think some elements of the grunge movement turned into the Alternative or Indie movement -- that is, a demographic of young people in their teens and twenties rejecting mass consumerism; indeed, a counter to preppy Yuppies that grew popular in the 80s.

I'm really taken aback by the number of hipsters today who dress like old episodes of Pete & Pete from 20 years ago.

It sounds like they are into mass consumerism with the skinny jeans and black horned rimmed glasses and other type of designer clothes and products. From what I am getting is they think they like to be onto something before it gains popularity nothing more.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Well Spock should really have yelled "Maaaaaarrrrrrrcuuusss"
since it was really his fault that Kirk dies. The Khan scfream made no sense to me.

No, Khan had been seemingly working with Kirk and Spock at the time, then betrayed their trust.

At first viewing, I also thought the scream indicated that Spock could sense Khan's presence, rather like Prime Spock could sense the approach of V'ger in TMP, interrupting his Kolinahr graduation ceremony.

 

[Cyke101]

I am a Generation X. I hate labels but unfortunately that's what the idiotic media calls us. I know my generation thought hippies were weird. I guess we had long haired "burn outs" but they weren't really like what this hipster definition implies. I really don't know of a equivalent. We also had preppies, nerds etc.

If it's Generation X, I'd think some elements of the grunge movement turned into the Alternative or Indie movement -- that is, a demographic of young people in their teens and twenties rejecting mass consumerism; indeed, a counter to preppy Yuppies that grew popular in the 80s.

I'm really taken aback by the number of hipsters today who dress like old episodes of Pete & Pete from 20 years ago.

It sounds like they are into mass consumerism with the skinny jeans and black horned rimmed glasses and other type of designer clothes and products. From what I am getting is they think they like to be onto something before it gains popularity nothing more.

Aside from tech, their clothes tend to be second hand, like from thrift stores, so that's a difference. Buying brand name is one thing, buying it from a resale store is street cred.

But above all that is the counter-culture mindset, which is what connects them to their predecessors, like the indie crowd, Bohemians, beatniks, etc.

 

[TRON JA307020]

If it's Generation X, I'd think some elements of the grunge movement turned into the Alternative or Indie movement -- that is, a demographic of young people in their teens and twenties rejecting mass consumerism; indeed, a counter to preppy Yuppies that grew popular in the 80s.

I'm really taken aback by the number of hipsters today who dress like old episodes of Pete & Pete from 20 years ago.

It sounds like they are into mass consumerism with the skinny jeans and black horned rimmed glasses and other type of designer clothes and products. From what I am getting is they think they like to be onto something before it gains popularity nothing more.

Aside from tech, their clothes tend to be second hand, like from thrift stores, so that's a difference. Buying brand name is one thing, buying it from a resale store is street cred.

But above all that is the counter-culture mindset, which is what connects them to their predecessors, like the indie crowd, Bohemians, beatniks, etc.

I looked up a few definitions on hipsters and I now know I actually worked with one. The one site I went to said hipsters like Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and they all call it PBR. They have long hair and comb it messy neat. They wear skinny jeans, expensive plaid shirts, have beards, brew their own coffee, make their own beer or alcohol. They also tend to be progressive liberals. This 20 something guy I worked with did all of that. He had a cup that was able to brew one cup of coffee for him. His favorite beer was Pabst Blue Ribbon and he constantly and annoyingly called it PBR. He claimed to have 22 pairs of shoes. He had a scraggly beard and when he grew his hair out he combed it messily on purpose. This guy also bought a expensive apple lap top because they were popular even though he didn't have the internet at home. Oh yeah and he made his own beer at home. He was a pretty cheap guy and would take leftover pizza when we had office lunches for meetings.He was also very dishonest and never took the blame for things he did wrong but constantly stabbed people in the back. (I know the last 3 are probably not indicative of hipsters)I could not stand the guy.

 

[Cyke101]

It sounds like they are into mass consumerism with the skinny jeans and black horned rimmed glasses and other type of designer clothes and products. From what I am getting is they think they like to be onto something before it gains popularity nothing more.

Aside from tech, their clothes tend to be second hand, like from thrift stores, so that's a difference. Buying brand name is one thing, buying it from a resale store is street cred.

But above all that is the counter-culture mindset, which is what connects them to their predecessors, like the indie crowd, Bohemians, beatniks, etc.

I looked up a few definitions on hipsters and I now know I actually worked with one. The one site I went to said hipsters like Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and they all call it PBR. They have long hair and comb it messy neat. They wear skinny jeans, expensive plaid shirts, have beards, brew their own coffee, make their own beer or alcohol. They also tend to be progressive liberals. This 20 something guy I worked with did all of that. He had a cup that was able to brew one cup of coffee for him. His favorite beer was Pabst Blue Ribbon and he constantly and annoyingly called it PBR. He claimed to have 22 pairs of shoes. He had a scraggly beard and when he grew his hair out he combed it messily on purpose. This guy also bought a expensive apple lap top because they were popular even though he didn't have the internet at home. Oh yeah and he made his own beer at home. He was a pretty cheap guy and would take leftover pizza when we had office lunches for meetings.He was also very dishonest and never took the blame for things he did wrong but constantly stabbed people in the back. (I know the last 3 are probably not indicative of hipsters)I could not stand the guy.

Wellp, for a guy who didn't know what they were a couple days ago, you've made progress, and realized they're actually around you.

But I did mention tech up above, which very much (almost exclusively) involves Apple products.

 

[eyeresist]

This guy also bought a expensive apple lap top because they were popular even though he didn't have the internet at home.

Computers can do stuff even when they're not online. Also, wi-fi.

 

[Ovation]

Aside from tech, their clothes tend to be second hand, like from thrift stores, so that's a difference. Buying brand name is one thing, buying it from a resale store is street cred.

But above all that is the counter-culture mindset, which is what connects them to their predecessors, like the indie crowd, Bohemians, beatniks, etc.

I looked up a few definitions on hipsters and I now know I actually worked with one. The one site I went to said hipsters like Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and they all call it PBR. They have long hair and comb it messy neat. They wear skinny jeans, expensive plaid shirts, have beards, brew their own coffee, make their own beer or alcohol. They also tend to be progressive liberals. This 20 something guy I worked with did all of that. He had a cup that was able to brew one cup of coffee for him. His favorite beer was Pabst Blue Ribbon and he constantly and annoyingly called it PBR. He claimed to have 22 pairs of shoes. He had a scraggly beard and when he grew his hair out he combed it messily on purpose. This guy also bought a expensive apple lap top because they were popular even though he didn't have the internet at home. Oh yeah and he made his own beer at home. He was a pretty cheap guy and would take leftover pizza when we had office lunches for meetings.He was also very dishonest and never took the blame for things he did wrong but constantly stabbed people in the back. (I know the last 3 are probably not indicative of hipsters)I could not stand the guy.

Wellp, for a guy who didn't know what they were a couple days ago, you've made progress, and realized they're actually around you.

But I did mention tech up above, which very much (almost exclusively) involves Apple products.

One of my nephews is beginning to emerge from the hipster life (remains a work in progress) and, consequently, he's becoming an increasingly more pleasant human being. Still has a way to go, though.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Aside from tech, their clothes tend to be second hand, like from thrift stores, so that's a difference. Buying brand name is one thing, buying it from a resale store is street cred.

But above all that is the counter-culture mindset, which is what connects them to their predecessors, like the indie crowd, Bohemians, beatniks, etc.

I looked up a few definitions on hipsters and I now know I actually worked with one. The one site I went to said hipsters like Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and they all call it PBR. They have long hair and comb it messy neat. They wear skinny jeans, expensive plaid shirts, have beards, brew their own coffee, make their own beer or alcohol. They also tend to be progressive liberals. This 20 something guy I worked with did all of that. He had a cup that was able to brew one cup of coffee for him. His favorite beer was Pabst Blue Ribbon and he constantly and annoyingly called it PBR. He claimed to have 22 pairs of shoes. He had a scraggly beard and when he grew his hair out he combed it messily on purpose. This guy also bought a expensive apple lap top because they were popular even though he didn't have the internet at home. Oh yeah and he made his own beer at home. He was a pretty cheap guy and would take leftover pizza when we had office lunches for meetings.He was also very dishonest and never took the blame for things he did wrong but constantly stabbed people in the back. (I know the last 3 are probably not indicative of hipsters)I could not stand the guy.

Wellp, for a guy who didn't know what they were a couple days ago, you've made progress, and realized they're actually around you.

But I did mention tech up above, which very much (almost exclusively) involves Apple products.

Wow I didn't even know apple was one of their traits. This guy I worked with even mentioned to me that he bought the computer because it was popular amongst his friends. I am glad I no longer work with this guy. A near 30 year old who dressed like a teenager in the office was annoying.

 

[Trekkin]

Is anyone else kind-of uncomfortable where this threads going? It feels a little like the topics starting to head towards picking on a stranger based purely on Puberts word (I mean, buying a Mac means nothing these days. Apple is too popular to be 'hip'). Oh, and ragging on the easy target that is hipsters.

Or maybe I'm over-sensitive. That's probably it.

As for 'Will they go back to prime trek', I don't think so anytime soon. Personally, I don't see any reason why it should unless it's a cross over Mirror-verse style. All the shows I'm attached to in that time line have had their finales and wrapped up, most if the characters have died or gotten their happily-ever-afters, and Spock Prime's storyline has pretty much been forced to end. I've got Star Trek online and the novels if I really want to see what happened post-Romulus annihilation.

For me, the movies might as well just skip forward to a new crew in the Nu-timeline once the current cast move on. I really don't care passionately either way.

 

[JWPlatt]

Is anyone else kind-of uncomfortable where this threads going? It feels a little like the topics starting to head towards picking on a stranger based purely on Puberts word...

Yeah. Apparently, though I haven't checked recently, it's okay with the rules to pick on people so long as they aren't members of this forum. I think that's to promote membership and ad service because once you're signed up, you have immunity from persecution and are served ads.

As for primeTrek, as the trite catch-all says, time will tell.

For me, the movies might as well just skip forward to a new crew in the Nu-timeline once the current cast move on. I really don't care passionately either way.

The franchise reboot fever - not just Trek - has left me uncaring of continuity, so bring on the next cast. Maybe it's like serial marriages. Eventually, it's all a blur and it doesn't matter who you are in bed with.