The NG films were not "successful" enough because the scripts, except for First Contact, were weak.
Will there be a Star Trek IV?
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That script was weak too......
Of the NG films FC was the pinnacle.
I like Nemesis better. It is the only one I ever have any desire to watch again.
I'm not far off the same. I can still watch them all, but I find nemesis to have the best rewatch factor.
First contact was pretty enjoyable back in the day. Now it's a dated corny affair that looks like it was made on the cheap, which it was. Don't even get me started on insurrection. Point is TNG on the big screen was a failure. Even first contact posted pretty paltry box office numbers in the grand scheme of things.
My favorite NG films are FC and Nemesis. I do watch them, not the other two. The end of Nemesis made me want to see another NG film with Riker in command of the Titan along with Picard's 1701-E. The 1701-E in drydock being repaired was a nice nod back to TMP 1701-Refit in drydock.
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FC and GEN are probably better films, but, yeah, if I had to choose a TNG film to watch, it would be NEM.
The biggest problem with them was they were all made on the cheap, lacked ambition, and totally failed to reach a wider audience as a result, by the time nemesis rolled up in 2002, the game was up. These new movies are the opposite of this. So there's a decent chance of a fourth one.
They were essentially made by the TV division. All the TV people were there... actors, writers, directors, producers. It is no surprise they never really made the leap from feeling like TV episodes.
I think that sums up Berman's reign pretty nicely. It was like he was given the keys to his dad's '68 Dayton and always drove the speed limit.
First contact got away with it because of the films opening, and the borg. I remember seeing it at the cinema and even then some of the cheap sets and some wonky effects stood out even in 96. Insurrection was nearly all total garbage and that put the first nail in nemesis' coffin before it was even made.
Back to the thread title I think beyond needs to take 450 million as an absolute bare minimum in order for us to see another and I fear even that figure may not be enough.
Back to the thread title I think beyond needs to take 450 million as an absolute bare minimum in order for us to see another and I fear even that figure may not be enough.
I think it'll do that easily with good word of mouth.
It'll be a good long while after next never before such a thing is even considered. Star Trek just doesn't have the popularity, and Paramount doesn't have the ambitions to try anything on that scale. Especially now that there's a new TV series coming, Paramount isn't going to risk launching a second movie series to run concurrently with the Abramsverse TOS.
Why does this "definitely need to happen"? There's still a need for a counselor on a ship, military bases and larger naval ships today have their own psychologists and therapists assigned to them, there's no reason there wouldn't any in the 24th century. Okay, maybe the ship's counselor wouldn't be wearing a catsuit and spending all her time on the bridge just to point out the alien captain is obviously hiding something, but there are ways the character can be utilized than making her a political officer.
More as a reoccurring character in a series than as starring role, though. "political officer" always sounds a bit totalitarian to me. Like they're there to make sure everyone is following the party line. Diplomatic attache might be better. In my "dream series" that's what Troi was. Someone who would butt heads with the captain,
People once said the same thing about Marvel Comics.
Unlike Marvel Comics, Star Trek still has the shadow lingering over it of oversaturating the market with too many TV shows in production and a concurrent TV series, in addition to an average of two monthly tie-in novels, and a few comics as well.
I'm not sure a series solely about exploring space could capture the imaginations of today's audiences. I think part of it is the fact that so many now understand how huge space is and how unlikely Star Trek would be. The Marvel stuff, while unbelievable, has today's Earth as a recognizable touchstone for their stories.
What helps Marvel out is each of the series within the MCU are geared differently. Iron Man is standard action hero stuff, Thor is fantasy, Captain America is sort of political thriller, Guardians of the Galaxy is science fiction, The Avengers is where everyone meets up. The variety keeps plenty of storytelling options open. Star Trek is basically the adventures of a ship and crew, regardless the iteration. The differences are subtle to non-existent. The sequel set 100 years later, the prequel set 100 years earlier, the one where the ship is stranded away from home, the one on a space station instead. There are more limited options, and Trek fans don't tend to respond well to having their recipe messed with.
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