Will the Picard show address the 800 lb gorilla that is data's death?

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  1. Disco!Disco!

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    He might get a mention. The question is, how will he be mentioned? "Data, may he rest"? "Captain Data of the Enterprise"? Something else?

    I'm anticipating this quite a lot. I want to know what happened.
     
  2. Vger23

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    I hope they don't feel the need to go dicking aroung with this.

    Let it be.
     
  3. Tuskin38

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    Kurtzman wrote (Co-wrote?) the ST09 Prequal Comic that had Data alive in B4. Just saying.
     
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    I for one do not feel the need to see Data again, either as a CGI version or an old man version. Actually, I do not feel the need to see Picard again, but obviously that's neither here nor there, considering.
     
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    Want to know the worst part? I'd still watch that.
     
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  6. Disco!Disco!

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    He and Orci have "story" credits. The comic itself was written by someone else.

    But, yeah, I listed "Captain Data of the Enterprise" as a way to mention him in passing because of the Countdown comic. The show might well go with that.

    Or it might do something else.

    I want to know, goshdarn it!
     
  7. fireproof78

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    Same here.
     
  8. Bry_Sinclair

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    Data died saving Picard, doing anything more with that plot point cheapens his death and flies in the face of him doing the most human thing he could: sacrificing himself for his family.

    Mention B-4 being taken to Maddox's lab for development of Soong-type androids, though these won't roll out for a long time to come--as the legal standing of an android 'species' needs to be determined (Data's ruling was about him alone, not all artificial life-forms).
     
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    That Data died. A copy is something entirely different, a la Tom Riker or the copy version of Doctor from Voyager. Data downloaded a copy into B4. For the sake of argument, let's assume that Data created the copy just prior to the events of Nemesis, perhaps it was a weekly backup. The resurrected data, if removed from B4 would then be a Data with no recollection of Nemesis. I am too jealous of this Data to want him on the Picard show. Nemesis ruined Trek for a long time it was so awful.
     
  10. Disco!Disco!

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    Resurrected Spock has the same body--just rejuvenated. However, his mind is a copy because he melded with McCoy before going into the chamber.

    I expect we're not meant to think too much about that.
     
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  11. Tomalak

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    It was pretty cool how Spock could download his entire brain of memory and experience into Bones in a split second. I know he had to "retrain" for three months afterwards, but that seemed to be more about learning how to access his memories, not re-learning everything from scratch.

    Mind you, Uhura seemed to re-learn everything in between The Changeling and the next episode. Was she technically the same Uhura? She would have had completely different experiences having no memory of childhood or anything apart from the Enterprise. Do we just pretend that never happened?
     
  12. The Old Mixer

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    Pretty much.
     
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  13. rahullak

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    The show can "address" Data's death in a variety of ways:

    1. Show Picard reminiscing about his friend and former-crewman in one of the scenes of 1 of the episodes
    2. Have it brought up in dialogue with another character as a either major plot point for an episode (something involving sentient artificial lifeforms) or as supporting dialogue for a different plot.
    3. Bring back Data as B4 (I'm not a fan of this one, as getting Spiner on board with de-aging may not be best, though it could be done for just a single episode)
    4. Bring back Data in a different artificial form (and therefore another younger actor), stating that in the interim 20 years, the Federation has managed to transfer Data's memory and personality into another purpose-built Soong-type android.
    5. Bring back Data non-corporeally. His memories and personality is downloaded onto a ship's computer and he operates more or less as an A.I ship. Spiner would need to voice-act, or the show should have a creative way to state why the voice is different.

    There's possibly more other ways..
     
  14. Tomalak

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    Data always wanted to understand humanity better, and his physicality was a part of that. Making Data the ship's computer or a face on a screen like Holly in Red Dwarf guts the character.
     
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  16. Ricky

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    I don't think we will see any TNG characters excepting Picard at all actually. I hope not anyway.
     
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    And yet humanity can be defined not just by its physical form.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    If they bring back TNG characters I hope it's because they had a great idea for the story and not just for the sake of doing it.

    I would also prefer it if they did somehow canonically revive Data because he died in such a stupid way.
     
  19. Doc Mugatu

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    First, I do NOT believe "Data's death" is in any way a "800lb gorilla in the room."

    My hope (and I have read nothing on this new production) is they focus solely on Picard without the distraction of any other TNG characters. I really will be disappointed if they are not bold and forward looking - at least this round. If there is a second season so to speak then fine (you can't fight city hall). I am just sick of franchises raping their past. It hasn't worked for Disney era Star Wars. It hasn't worked for Paramount. It doesn't work. The math on it works out to be 99% downside.
     
  20. Nerys Myk

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    Picard will get Data's head from under San Francisco and keep it in a box. Occasionally asking it questions.
     
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