Do you think the Doctor will tell Rory and Amy about River's future death (at least the physical kind) which he saw happen in Forest of the Dead? Or will he kept that to himself for Rory and Amy's peace of mind?
Will the Doctor tell Rory and Amy River's fate? **S4 SPOILER**
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I imagine he'll allude to it dramatically but not officially announce it until the Doctor and River have their last chronologically meetings...if that were to happen during 11's time span.
My guess would be neither and that barring a scenario that'll somehow make it changeable or circumventable he'll keep it to himself for the purpose of preserving the causal nexus. I can easily see Rory taking a damn-the-consequences approach if he somehow finds out. As for the Doctor, I think that his resignation in relation to his own fate was partly a means of proving to himself that he was doing the right thing in relation to River's.
Why would he?
The Doctor: Amy, Rory, I've got news about your daughter.
Amy: What is it?
The Doctor: Eventually she'll die. In the future, I mean. Her future. She'll live well into adulthood, and then eventually...she dies.
Rory: Right. Well, everyone dies. The last time you were in the 51st century everyone you knew from the 20th century was long dead. And when you're in the 20th century, all your Elizabethan friends like Shakespeare have been dead for centuries.
The Doctor: She's going to eventually die, Rory. Your daughter! Do you know what this means?
Rory: Uh...she's not immortal?
The Doctor: Amy, I've got a horiscope for you.
Amy: What is it?
The Doctor: You are going to die.
Amy: Well, yeah.
The Doctor: Rory, I've got a horiscope for you.
Rory: What is it?
The Doctor: You are going to die.
Rory: Again?
The Doctor: Amy, Rory, I've got news about your daughter.
Amy: What is it?
The Doctor: Eventually she'll die. In the future, I mean. Her future. She'll live well into adulthood, and then eventually...she dies.
Rory: Right. Well, everyone dies. The last time you were in the 51st century everyone you knew from the 20th century was long dead. And when you're in the 20th century, all your Elizabethan friends like Shakespeare have been dead for centuries.
The Doctor: She's going to eventually die, Rory. Your daughter! Do you know what this means?
Rory: Uh...she's not immortal?
The Doctor: Amy, I've got a horiscope for you.
Amy: What is it?
The Doctor: You are going to die.
Amy: Well, yeah.
The Doctor: Rory, I've got a horiscope for you.
Rory: What is it?
The Doctor: You are going to die.
Rory: Again?
^That didn't seem to comfort Amy much. She was pretty upset when everything snapped back in "Wedding" and she remembered the lead-up to 1103's death, even though there was nothing to say she wouldn't ever see 909 again. Telling them River died would definitely a buzzkill.
Still, they are her parents. They deserve to know what happened. I'd imagine he'd only tell them later, after he's run through his time with River, and when they themselves are older.
Still, they are her parents. They deserve to know what happened. I'd imagine he'd only tell them later, after he's run through his time with River, and when they themselves are older.
We don't know how long River lived after regenerating from Mels. For all we know, she may had 500 years of adventures before going to the Library.
She would have aged, right? She is only part Time Lord and Time Lords age too? Maybe not like humans but they still age.
^ In Let's Kill Hitler, the newly-regenerated Mels/River talks about taking the age down a bit just to confuse people, so she can presumably look a little younger by the time of Silence In The Library. That ability might also help to explain that middle-aged guy from Time Crash.
Time Crash was explained as a time differential.
I don't think any parent wants to know how or when their child dies. In fact, isn't it generally considered one of the greatest tragedies a parent can endure to live long enough to know exactly when their child dies?
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Absolutely, but on the other hand, would you advocate lying to someone's parents if they died and pretending they'd just stopped calling?
I think this is one of the reasons why Amy and Rory have to come back (Karen Gillan just reaffirmed on a radio interview with Graham Norton that she is coming back, btw: http://tardisnewsroom.blogspot.com/2011/10/karen-gillan-graham-norton-interview.html ) - because there is that whole question of will the Doctor tell them that he witnessed River's death?
And when will he tell them? Forest of the Dead described the vivid scenario in which the Doctor met River for the last time (in his chronology) and gave her the sonic screwdriver. Did he give Amy and Rory a chance to say goodbye to her as well? Interesting stuff.
Of course there's no way to tell if they'll actually chronicle this on screen. Moffat may decide to leave this (along with Jim the Fish, etc) off-screen for us to fill in with our imaginations. It'll be interesting to see how it will be handled, though, if they go there.
Alex
And when will he tell them? Forest of the Dead described the vivid scenario in which the Doctor met River for the last time (in his chronology) and gave her the sonic screwdriver. Did he give Amy and Rory a chance to say goodbye to her as well? Interesting stuff.
Of course there's no way to tell if they'll actually chronicle this on screen. Moffat may decide to leave this (along with Jim the Fish, etc) off-screen for us to fill in with our imaginations. It'll be interesting to see how it will be handled, though, if they go there.
Alex
Don't you mean "S6 SPOILER"?
^ River carks it in season four. The Doctor's past, her future. Since her death has never actually been mentioned since, anyone familiar with seasons five or six but unaware of the details of season four would be spoiled re River's death if they read this thread.
Of course, it would spoil season six too.
Of course, it would spoil season six too.
Oh right. Allow me to quote my idiot cousin thusly: "Durrrrrrrrrrrr"!
Honestly, I really hope Moffatt decides to leave that final encounter off-screen. Like the Time War, any deception of it won't be nearly as amazing as it is in our minds.
I don't know, I really want to see singing towers.
Personally, I think the best way to do it would be very low-key, rather than dramatizing it into a whole episode or glossing over it altogether. Perhaps as part of a montage, or as a flashback from another scene (maybe the Doctor telling an older Amy and Rory the story of the Library). All we see is the parts River told us about: He shows up dressed to the nines, he cries while they watch the towers sing, and as he leaves, he gives her a sonic screwdriver.
I'd definitely save it for River's final appearance, though (now that my original thought that the last time the Doctor met River was the first time she met him, making a perfect loop, is defunct). As the Doctor said, it's all still going on for him, and he likes to doddle with these sorts of things. It'd make sense he'd only do it in the end, when he realized they've run out of diary.
I'd definitely save it for River's final appearance, though (now that my original thought that the last time the Doctor met River was the first time she met him, making a perfect loop, is defunct). As the Doctor said, it's all still going on for him, and he likes to doddle with these sorts of things. It'd make sense he'd only do it in the end, when he realized they've run out of diary.
Didn't River said that the Doctor was older the last time they were together?
Maybe the Eleventh Doctor ages for some reason because of some alien disease or something Time Lord related.
Maybe the Eleventh Doctor ages for some reason because of some alien disease or something Time Lord related.
Or it be some future incarnation. No reason why it has to be The Eleventh Doctor.
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