Will Sarek?

[propita]

How many Vulcans are left? Sarek may take a wife just to re-populate. Not wait the seven years?

 

[FarStrider]

We've never seen much evidence of Vulcan colonies, and Vulcan characters have said that while they've been in space for quite a while they're not explorers by nature.

So, until writers create some Vulcan colonies - other than Romulas, of course - they don't exist to be "forgotten about."

Exactly. . . and considering the whole "Pon Farr" issue, generally and having to return to their homeworld to mate, having a whole bunch of colonies doesn't make a lot of sense. . . Vulcans probably stayed pretty close to home. . .


~FS

 

[UFO]

Yes, shame the writers didn't just admit that they were the ones who forgot about Vulcan's colonies. I would have had more respect for them.

... If there are colonies they are a scattering, of a droplet at best.

I'm no expert on Vulcan expansion polices but I've heard people say they do have some colonies and gave a name to one where Tuvoc was born I think. I also believe they've been in space quite a bit longer than "we" have. You would think they would need some colonies if only for strategic defence and resource acquisition etc.

Any way, if I remember correctly, the film gives the definite impression that there are only 10,000 Vulcans left, period, since it was in conjunction with the comment about species extinction. Otherwise it's just misleading, and the number quoted is irrelevant. Further there is no qualification about the one or two hundred thousand Vulcans on a few miscellaneous colonies (if that’s all they have), and I can’t see Spock making that mistake (He would at least know colonies existed, if not their population), which only leaves the writers.

So, until writers create some Vulcan colonies - other than Romulas, of course - they don't exist to be "forgotten about."

We can't have it both ways. If the writers felt it was worth pointing out that colonies weren't included, then "logically" they have to exist and total a significant fraction of the number of survivors if not a lot more, in which case the 10,000 figure is at best misleading in the context. Perhaps the fact that colonies aren't often mentioned contributed to the probable writers error but if they got it wrong, my point is they should have fessed up.

Seems to me that however much you may like the movie, surely you believe the writers are still potentially fallible? He wrote, holding on tightly to his crucifix! The phrase: "Orci and Kurtzman have said so." made me wonder for some reason!

 

[Jack Bauer]

The writers are quite aware of Vulcan colonies. I know they mentioned in an interview that there were other Vulcans off planet at the time Vulcan blew up. Wish I could find it. The only Vulcan colony in canon I'm aware of is the one where Tuvok was born.

 

[UFO]

The only Vulcan colony in canon I'm aware of is the one where Tuvok was born.

Ah, could have been your comment I read. There seem to be at least two:
Paan Mokar *
Vulcanis Lunar Colony

I know they mentioned in an interview that there were other Vulcans off planet at the time Vulcan blew up.

That may be the same interview(?) Mr. Laser Beam was referring to. The question is: When did they know? When writing the script (they still may have forgotten), or after the movie when someone took them aside and whispered in the ear?

Edit:

* Looks like the Vulcans were interested in it for strategic reasons rather than settling (and "The Vulcans eventually agreed to cede ownership of the world to the Andorians"), but it does show they had reasons to acquire off-world assets.

 

[JarodRussell]

Like with many issues in the script, the writers came up with explanations only after the movie's release when Orci engaged in the Trekmovie fanopalooza. On many occasions you could tell he was making it up while he typed the reply. Of course I can't prove it, and Orci will always deny it. But clearly, Spock's on screen log entry and Orci's own interpretation of his own script diverge pretty much.

Acting Captain's log, supplemental. In an emotional outburst I might have miscalculated the remaining numbers of my species. It is not a mere 10,000 who survived, but 100 million instead. So any reports about my species facing extinction have been greatly exaggerated.

Nope.


Young Spock continued talking about extinction when he met Old Spock, too. Furthermore, Old Spock said he located a suitable planet where they could establish a Vulcan colony. If there were other colonies out there, why wouldn't they just take those 10,000 survivors to them? So both of them did mean (and the writers did mean that too, while they wrote it) that there are only 10,000 Vulcans left ALTOGETHER in the entire galaxy.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Like with many issues in the script, the writers came up with explanations only after the movie's release when Orci engaged in the Trekmovie fanopalooza. On many occasions you could tell he was making it up while he typed the reply. Of course I can't prove it, and Orci will always deny it. But clearly, Spock's on screen log entry and Orci's own interpretation of his own script diverge pretty much.

Acting Captain's log, supplemental. In an emotional outburst I might have miscalculated the remaining numbers of my species. It is not a mere 10,000 who survived, but 100 million instead. So any reports about my species facing extinction have been greatly exaggerated.

Nope.


Young Spock continued talking about extinction when he met Old Spock, too. Furthermore, Old Spock said he located a suitable planet where they could establish a Vulcan colony. If there were other colonies out there, why wouldn't they just take those 10,000 survivors to them? So both of them did mean (and the writers did mean that too, while they wrote it) that there are only 10,000 Vulcans left ALTOGETHER in the entire galaxy.

Thank you.

And I doubt Dennis or I meant to imply there were not any other Vulcans off world, it would be weird if they were not, but at best that would be handful.

Tuvok was born on the "Vulcan Lunar Colony" which raises all sorts of other issues as thats the kind of name you give to a colony on your planets moon. Vulcan has no moons.

Or they mean the Vulcans have a settlement within Sol...