Will next Star Trek movies stay in the alternate universe?
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I know what you're concerns are. Most time travel / alternate universe stories in the Trek universe reset at the end. "We fixed it! All is well!"
But this time...they didn't "fix" it. Really, I only had one major disappointment with this, and I can't remember if this is a spoilers thread so I won't say it. But its a major event that I was like, "gee, it sucks that is changed like that."
Anyway, I understand your concerns because how would **** Wars fans feel if this happened? "Oh, the Emperor's secret son came back to the past and killed Obi Wan...and oh by the way, Luke will become a jedi, but in a different way than you thought and loved as a fan."
I had the same concerns, but so much of the movie was enjoyable it fixed that. Some of the performances though were good enough that I still say they could have done another Trek without touching the original characters and just having all new characters. (Or making a Captain Pike t.v. series, or whatever...). But I totally get your concerns.
But this time...they didn't "fix" it. Really, I only had one major disappointment with this, and I can't remember if this is a spoilers thread so I won't say it. But its a major event that I was like, "gee, it sucks that is changed like that."
Anyway, I understand your concerns because how would **** Wars fans feel if this happened? "Oh, the Emperor's secret son came back to the past and killed Obi Wan...and oh by the way, Luke will become a jedi, but in a different way than you thought and loved as a fan."
I had the same concerns, but so much of the movie was enjoyable it fixed that. Some of the performances though were good enough that I still say they could have done another Trek without touching the original characters and just having all new characters. (Or making a Captain Pike t.v. series, or whatever...). But I totally get your concerns.
Even though it is a new universe, there can still be elements of the original. Khan and the Botany bay, Doomsday Machine, etc when the timeline catches up to the "5 year mission"
In this reality Kirk is really the first Captain of the Enterprise, according to TOS, Spock served with Pike for 11 years and Captain April (TAS, I think) had the Enterpise before him. So there is alot of years before the timeline of the original 5 years mission even begins.The timeline can always "repair itself" as is a popular Scence Fiction staple. For example, we know the events of First Contact where not altered, as the Earth would be full of Borg had Nero's actions rippled that far into the future.
I will be curious on how the Klingon ridge issue will de handled in the sequals since it was explained in Enterprise, which are events that where not altered. I'm hoping for No Ridge.
I am just glad that the franchise has been revitalized using the best characters the franchise ever had.
One thing I am still pondering is Spock & Uhura, does this mean they always loved each other on TOS but decided it could not be?
In this reality Kirk is really the first Captain of the Enterprise, according to TOS, Spock served with Pike for 11 years and Captain April (TAS, I think) had the Enterpise before him. So there is alot of years before the timeline of the original 5 years mission even begins.The timeline can always "repair itself" as is a popular Scence Fiction staple. For example, we know the events of First Contact where not altered, as the Earth would be full of Borg had Nero's actions rippled that far into the future.
I will be curious on how the Klingon ridge issue will de handled in the sequals since it was explained in Enterprise, which are events that where not altered. I'm hoping for No Ridge.
I am just glad that the franchise has been revitalized using the best characters the franchise ever had.
One thing I am still pondering is Spock & Uhura, does this mean they always loved each other on TOS but decided it could not be?
I know it was never Spock and Uhura (one of my big beefs when hearing this about the movie). It was always meant to be Nurse Chapel was in love with Mr. Spock. That is how I read that Roddenberry wanted it, in every Star Trek book I have where it's mentioned.
There was only one time when Uhura flirted with Spock (The Man Trap) and that was when Vulcans were originally going to be written as being irresistable to women. They dropped that premise after this.
I do not like Spock and Uhura because it was a better story when Spock resisted women. I didn't like him with Chapel or T'pring either.
It's like the way I like M*A*S*H. Hawkeye works better single. It's okay for BJ to be married, but not Hawkeye.
It's ok for Bones to have a daughter and have been married (for me) but not for Spock. The character has to be fighting his emotions to be vulnerable and therefore bring out my "awww" the poor guy feelings.
Peace.......
What i think makes the events of the movie so easily acceptable, is that they are by and large the result of the Spock(of the "Alpha" Trek Universe)and Nero(also from the "Alpha" Trek U)interfering with time and space.Sure, they could always have Daniels or Q set things "right", but maybe there isn't anything to set right.This new timeline is likely completely seperate from that of the "Alpha" Trek Universe the same way the Mirror U is from "Alpha", and "Alpha" is from "Beta"(i.e. New Trek Universe).The only mistake i thought was made in the movie was Spock's relationship with Uhura.I also prefer Mark Leonard's Sarek.
Anyone interested in seeing how the events that led up to the new Trek movie will effect the "Alpha" Trek Universe and the events leading up to of STO(which are being considered canon)need only go here.There's some interesting backround info that takes place before the movie.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/235
Anyone interested in seeing how the events that led up to the new Trek movie will effect the "Alpha" Trek Universe and the events leading up to of STO(which are being considered canon)need only go here.There's some interesting backround info that takes place before the movie.
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/235
Fourthed!Third it!Yes! And personally I wouldn't want it differently.
I second that.
For better or for worse...it will be in the new universe.
I can't imagine that they wouldn't stay in the alternate universe.
In the alternate universe, they are free of 700+ episodes of Trek canon. And all the whining that goes along with breaking any of it.
I think that after the success of this movie, the fans who are stuck in the past and unwilling to accept an alternative universe will either get used to it, or go away. Because baby....the past is GONE...and after this? It ain't coming back.
In the alternate universe, they are free of 700+ episodes of Trek canon. And all the whining that goes along with breaking any of it.
I think that after the success of this movie, the fans who are stuck in the past and unwilling to accept an alternative universe will either get used to it, or go away. Because baby....the past is GONE...and after this? It ain't coming back.
Well spoken.
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Um I can't possibly see a sequel NOT being set in this 'new' universe.
I don't like calling it an "alternate universe". That makes me think of a mirror universe where everything is different... here not much is different except the pretty massive thing about Vulcan being destroyed.
Correct me if im wrong, but i was under the impression this was a star trek alternate timeline, not alternate universe. This movie changes the entire storyline of TOS and all movies that came after that. The alternate universe is already set with the terran empire. Theres 2 universes- the primary and alternate. The primary was Abram's depiction, so all the TOS episodes is as of this moment- never happened.
I think this movie is an abomination to TOS. this movie was relased to make star trek look cool and hip, but it defies the whole basis of Roddenberry's quest: humanity can and will be better in the future...in essence...HOPE.
Abrams has made star trek just another action packed intersteller thrill ride, while ignoring the basis of Roddenberry's reason behind star trek. Destroying Vulcan was seriously uncalled for. Kirk whos a cadet 3 years in is given command of the Enterprise- the most advanced starship in the fleet...beating out senior officers and seasoned captains? Not to mention being LAUNCHED OUT outta the enterprise after an altercation? What happened to "take him to the brig?"
If Nero can go back in time to destroy vulcan- why couldnt he go back in time to accelerate spock's mission to stop the exploding star?
I think this movie is an abomination to TOS. this movie was relased to make star trek look cool and hip, but it defies the whole basis of Roddenberry's quest: humanity can and will be better in the future...in essence...HOPE.
Abrams has made star trek just another action packed intersteller thrill ride, while ignoring the basis of Roddenberry's reason behind star trek. Destroying Vulcan was seriously uncalled for. Kirk whos a cadet 3 years in is given command of the Enterprise- the most advanced starship in the fleet...beating out senior officers and seasoned captains? Not to mention being LAUNCHED OUT outta the enterprise after an altercation? What happened to "take him to the brig?"
If Nero can go back in time to destroy vulcan- why couldnt he go back in time to accelerate spock's mission to stop the exploding star?
There isn't really much difference.
For this timeline, yes... the old timeline still "exists" theoretically, it's a parralel universe where things are slightly different instead of massively different like in the mirror universe. See TNG's "Parallels".
I think it captured all that quite well, actually. This isn't exactly a nuBSGesque depressing reinvention of the story.
Won't argue with those nitpicks. But they are just that, nitpicks.
Because he doesnt have the power to time travel, it was completely accidental from the disaster at Romulus. Spock also.
Absolutely. That was the whole point of doing it.
No, no, no. The TOS alternate universe had to exist to tell this story. If it did not, the elder Spock would not be there. The elder Spock time-traveled into this universe, but nobody else from the TOS universe did.
*Important line in the movie: Kirk asks the elder Spock "where he is from does he see his father?" Spock says that Kirk's father lives to see his son become a Starfleet officer.
My 16 year old also believes after seeing the film that the other universe definitely existed. This is just an alternate universe that happens when Nero goes back in time.
Remember, Nero does not go back in time until after TNG happenings (from what I picked up). Spock is very old by now and he said he promised the Romulans that he would try to save their world. In TNG Spock was trying to reunite Romulans and Vulcans (Reunification 1 and 2).
Spock's time travel for this movie must have taken place way after this (and DS9, etc.)
Whether we like it or not, this will be the universe future films are set in. Until in several sequels time, the cast gets too old, the Ticket sales drop, and they reboot it again.
