WIll any old classes of starships appear? (Daedalus, please)

[SalvorHardin]

What happened to ClayHefner's post?

Abrams edited it.
He did not approve of what it was saying.

Oh guys, you wouldn't believe it, but Abrams ran over my dog last night. He was three sheets to the wind, and when he got out of his Porsche, he kicked my dog and said, "That's what you get for denting my fender!"

I assume Orci and Kurtzman were there pointing at the dog and laughing during the incident ?

 

[The Wormhole]

If Abrams and his cohorts were worth their salt and knew anything about The Canon, then the Kelvin would have been a Daedalus class ship. But instead of knowing The Canon, they went ahead and raped It.

 

[Dukhat]

I wish I had A Cannon right now. :-)

According to The Canon, the Daedalus class was retired long before the Kelvin was operating, so that screws up your argument.

 

[urbandk]

If Abrams and his cohorts were worth their salt and knew anything about The Canon, then the Kelvin would have been a Daedalus class ship. But instead of knowing The Canon, they went ahead and raped It.

oh gawd... you know, there could be multiple classes of starships... and the kelvin is later than the daedalus... and look at the navy, for crying out loud, they have multiple classes of ships that do exactly the same thing. For aircraft carriers you have Enterprise, Nimitz, Midway, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Forestal, and Essex class ships all serving together at the same time at the height of the cold war. I think Starfleet can have more than two designs. yadda yadda yadda

 

[The Wormhole]

If Abrams and his cohorts were worth their salt and knew anything about The Canon, then the Kelvin would have been a Daedalus class ship. But instead of knowing The Canon, they went ahead and raped It.

oh gawd... you know, there could be multiple classes of starships... and the kelvin is later than the daedalus... and look at the navy, for crying out loud, they have multiple classes of ships that do exactly the same thing. For aircraft carriers you have Enterprise, Nimitz, Midway, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Forestal, and Essex class ships all serving together at the same time at the height of the cold war. I think Starfleet can have more than two designs. yadda yadda yadda

The demands of The Fanboy overrule such antiquated concepts as "logic." The Fanboy demands adherance to The Canon, and The Canon, as intrepreted by The Fanboy says the Kelvin should have been Daedalus class. Anything less is rape of our childhoods.

 

[DaveyNY]

You should add a Bolt of Lightning, a Clap of Thunder and a Sinister Laff to your posts, so folks will know when your being serious, Wormie.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

The Daedalus is the ugliest piece of shit spacecraft ever built,

No one knows what the Daedalus looks like canonically.

The identification of the Jefferies "globe ship" with the Daedalus class is based on two things: an image of a Greg Jein model so identified in an official Star Trek reference book, and the later appearence of that model in Sisko's office on DS9.

Nothing in an official Star Trek reference work is "canon" until and unless it's used in a Trek television show or film - that's according to the authors of those reference works, among other sources.

The model in Sisko's office was never referenced as a "Daedalus." It was just an unidentified ship model (which supposedly bore the never-visible markings of the "Horizon").

So, Abrams or future filmmakers could design any vessel they like and pronounce it to be a "Daedalus class" ship without contradicting anything in canon.

Well, Abrams has done that once already and pronounced the ship "Enterprise," so I'm not sure if your first five sentences were necessary.

 

[Sector 7]

I just finished reading the prequel comics... all four parts.

the Daedalus class ship is in there... sort of... looks more like the Oberth ship with a sphere for primary hull

...but then again, I am no ship expert.

 

[stonester1]

A Daedalus would be rather cool:



Maybe one could come to pick up the Kelvin survivors? I kinda doubt it, but it would be cool.

But if the Daedalus was launched in the early 2160's & the attack on the Kelvin happens in the 2240's wouldent all of the Daedalus class be retired by then?

Not necessarily, depending. For example, in the TOS Vanguard book series, the SF Corps of Engineers has a Daedelus in service which is used as a platform for experiments. The design is adaptable and tough and relatively cheap to operate.

 

[The Wormhole]

I just finished reading the prequel comics... all four parts.

the Daedalus class ship is in there... sort of... looks more like the Oberth ship with a sphere for primary hull

...but then again, I am no ship expert.

Actually, that's not the Daedalus class. That's actually the Olympic class, same as the USS Pasteur from All Good Things.

 

[EJD1984]

With the style of the new movie, I could see doing an updated Ralph McQuarrie Phase II design in the background - Would fit in nicely.

 

[urbandk]

With the style of the new movie, I could see doing an updated Ralph McQuarrie Phase II design in the background - Would fit in nicely.

very defiant-ish. i really love the 70s Frazetta-style aesthetic. i never get tired of that stuff.

 

[miraclefan]

With the style of the new movie, I could see doing an updated Ralph McQuarrie Phase II design in the background - Would fit in nicely.

WOW! I would LOVE to see this ship in the NU-Film! especialy considering this ships saucer section looks VERY close to the KELVINS!

 

[OneBuckFilms]

With the style of the new movie, I could see doing an updated Ralph McQuarrie Phase II design in the background - Would fit in nicely.

Actually, that design was for Star Trek: Planet of Titans, an aborted movie project from before Phase II was assembled. Probably around 1975.

Star Trek: Phase II was in prep around 1977-78 I think, and they were redesigning the Enterprise, introducing the flat nacelles, and the model was partially built by Brick Price.

When Phase II was changed for Star Trek: TMP, the Enterprise was redesigned AGAIN, and included some of the Phase II design changes.

History Lesson Over

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You know, a scaled-down version of the McQuarrie rendering wouldn't have been a bad alternative design for the NX-01.

There's a CG mesh of the McQuarrie version - with a great deal of specific and imaginative detail - over at www.scifi-meshes.com and it's really cool.

 

[urbandk]

You know, a scaled-down version of the McQuarrie rendering wouldn't have been a bad alternative design for the NX-01.

agreed

 

[miraclefan]

You know, a scaled-down version of the McQuarrie rendering wouldn't have been a bad alternative design for the NX-01.

agreed

Disagree! *HURUMPH*

 

[urbandk]

You know, a scaled-down version of the McQuarrie rendering wouldn't have been a bad alternative design for the NX-01.

agreed

Disagree! *HURUMPH*

 

[dillon3001]

Big fan of Daedalus, personally. Hope it makes a cameo.

I was thinking the same thing the other day; how it would be cool to see the Daedalus class up on the big screen. Its one of my favorite ships from the whole series.

 

[Lyon_Wonder]

In TATV, Riker mentions the NX-01 is in a Museum. Maybe they could be brief mention of the NX-01, though we’ll probably just get a glimpse of a wall poster or ship model.

In TNG “Power Play”, Data mentions the Daedalus class was decommissioned in the 2196, 20-30 years before the Kelvin was placed into service. This is the canon reason why the Daedalus shouldn’t be shown in the movie. The Daedalus is a 2150s/60s design, while the Kelvin is 2210s or 2220s. I’d say the Kevlin is a contemporary of the fandom Baton Rouge and Ranger classes.