Why would God send someone to hell over suicide?

[Kegg]

Now, I'd like to ramble a bit about the theological implications of a more rigorous Zoroastrian dualism in broaching both the issue of the nature of evil but also in dismantling the notion of a strictly omnipote - holy crap is that Babaganoosh?

I had no idea.

Really.

 

[DonIago]

So why were you a Christian of you've never felt Christ enter your heart? I say it because it's a very real feeling that you either experience or you don't. I know that if I never felt it I would surely not believe, so i can see where a lot of people here are coming from.

So how exactly do you know that it's Christ entering your heart, and not, for instance...your imagination? Or perhaps Satan? I hear voices in my head all the time, but I always assume it's my subconscious speaking up...so how should I know when it's actually Him trying to get me to listen?

BTW, lovely signature. I always appreciate the reminder that I'm going to rot in Hell because I'm gay, which I don't consider a choice (though I imagine Christ told you it is). Frankly, being shoehorned into having sex with women, a situation that I doubt anyone would enjoy, might as well be a form of Hell as far as I'm concerned.

On the plus side, since I'm already predestined to go to Hell, I can pretty much do what I want while I'm on Earth, right? Hey, this is even better than planning to commit suicide!

(hits the bars then plans a roadtrip to Vegas)

 

[TheLonelySquire]

So why were you a Christian of you've never felt Christ enter your heart? I say it because it's a very real feeling that you either experience or you don't. I know that if I never felt it I would surely not believe, so i can see where a lot of people here are coming from.

So how exactly do you know that it's Christ entering your heart, and not, for instance...your imagination? Or perhaps Satan? I hear voices in my head all the time, but I always assume it's my subconscious speaking up...so how should I know when it's actually Him trying to get me to listen?

BTW, lovely signature. I always appreciate the reminder that I'm going to rot in Hell because I'm gay, which I don't consider a choice (though I imagine Christ told you it is). Frankly, being shoehorned into having sex with women, a situation that I doubt anyone would enjoy, might as well be a form of Hell as far as I'm concerned.

On the plus side, since I'm already predestined to go to Hell, I can pretty much do what I want while I'm on Earth, right? Hey, this is even better than planning to commit suicide!

(hits the bars then plans a roadtrip to Vegas)

Not sure what voices you're hearing but you don't appear too receptive to learning about and accepting Christ. Here's hoping you do at some point though.

As far as my signature goes, if you don't believe then it shouldn't matter to you, so don't sweat it.

Although no one is predestined to go to hell I would agree your choices in this world are wide open. That's what makes it great.

And consider Montreal over Vegas. It's a great city and it's a lot closer to you.

 

[Amaris]

So why were you a Christian of you've never felt Christ enter your heart? I say it because it's a very real feeling that you either experience or you don't. I know that if I never felt it I would surely not believe, so i can see where a lot of people here are coming from.

You assume I didn't.

At the time, I did. It was the greatest feeling in the world, it was beautiful, and peaceful, it was a joyful feeling that I will never forget. It was also as real as a dream, nothing more.

J.

 

[CaptainStoner]

So why were you a Christian of you've never felt Christ enter your heart? I say it because it's a very real feeling that you either experience or you don't. I know that if I never felt it I would surely not believe, so i can see where a lot of people here are coming from.

So how exactly do you know that it's Christ entering your heart, and not, for instance...your imagination? Or perhaps Satan? I hear voices in my head all the time, but I always assume it's my subconscious speaking up...so how should I know when it's actually Him trying to get me to listen?

BTW, lovely signature. I always appreciate the reminder that I'm going to rot in Hell because I'm gay, which I don't consider a choice (though I imagine Christ told you it is). Frankly, being shoehorned into having sex with women, a situation that I doubt anyone would enjoy, might as well be a form of Hell as far as I'm concerned.

On the plus side, since I'm already predestined to go to Hell, I can pretty much do what I want while I'm on Earth, right? Hey, this is even better than planning to commit suicide!

(hits the bars then plans a roadtrip to Vegas)

Not sure what voices you're hearing but you don't appear too receptive to learning about and accepting Christ. Here's hoping you do at some point though.

As far as my signature goes, if you don't believe then it shouldn't matter to you, so don't sweat it.

Although no one is predestined to go to hell I would agree your choices in this world are wide open. That's what makes it great.

And consider Montreal over Vegas. It's a great city and it's a lot closer to you.

"Homosexual offenders" = Offenders of Homosexuals.

As for God, no matter how many narrowminded haters state the contrary, no form of fundamentalism has the patent or monopoly. And yet anyone, including fundamentalists, can have the kind of authentic spiritual experience to which TLS refers.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

So how exactly do you know that it's Christ entering your heart, and not, for instance...your imagination? Or perhaps Satan? I hear voices in my head all the time, but I always assume it's my subconscious speaking up...so how should I know when it's actually Him trying to get me to listen?

BTW, lovely signature. I always appreciate the reminder that I'm going to rot in Hell because I'm gay, which I don't consider a choice (though I imagine Christ told you it is). Frankly, being shoehorned into having sex with women, a situation that I doubt anyone would enjoy, might as well be a form of Hell as far as I'm concerned.

On the plus side, since I'm already predestined to go to Hell, I can pretty much do what I want while I'm on Earth, right? Hey, this is even better than planning to commit suicide!

(hits the bars then plans a roadtrip to Vegas)

Not sure what voices you're hearing but you don't appear too receptive to learning about and accepting Christ. Here's hoping you do at some point though.

As far as my signature goes, if you don't believe then it shouldn't matter to you, so don't sweat it.

Although no one is predestined to go to hell I would agree your choices in this world are wide open. That's what makes it great.

And consider Montreal over Vegas. It's a great city and it's a lot closer to you.

"Homosexual offenders" = Offenders of Homosexuals.

As for God, no matter how many narrowminded haters state the contrary, no form of fundamentalism has the patent or monopoly. And yet anyone, including fundamentalists, can have the kind of authentic spiritual experience to which TLS refers.

Care to explain your interpretation of the "spirit"?

 

[Pingfah]

^ His interpretation is irrelevant, what matters is that the person experiencing it believes it to be real. To anybody except the person experiencing it, a spiritual experience and a hallucination are indistinguishable from each other. The person experiencing it may believe they can distinguish one way or another, but so do genuinely delusional people.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

^ His interpretation is irrelevant, what matters is that the person experiencing it believes it to be real. To anybody except the person experiencing it, a spiritual experience and a hallucination are indistinguishable from each other.

Why don't you let him answer the question?

 

[Pingfah]

I was not aware I had prevented him from doing so.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

TLS- I'll rephrase my last post as a question to you?

Why does God value his own vanity over any sense of empathy?

Why would you worship any higher being that does?

Please answer honestly, I'm curious.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

I was not aware I had prevented him.

Yeah... very humorous....

 

[Pingfah]

No need to get all huffy

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why does God value his own vanity over any sense of empathy?

He doesn't.

Nowhere in the Bible does God demand to be worshipped.

 

[Capn Flukie]

"Gimee your faith or your soul gets it!"

No, not demanding at all.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

TLS- I'll rephrase my last post as a question to you?

Why does God value his own vanity over any sense of empathy?

Why would you worship any higher being that does?

Please answer honestly, I'm curious.

That's your interpretation. It's not mine.

My interpretation, and I could be wrong of course, is that God is without sin and the only way to enter His kingdom is to have our transgressions forgiven through Christ.

God gives us free will and leaves our destiny completely up to us. I don't see that as being vain in the least.

And by sending Jesus to us He showed us how much he loves us.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

No need to get all huffy

My bad. I do expect better of myself.

 

[Amaris]

Why does God value his own vanity over any sense of empathy?

He doesn't.

Nowhere in the Bible does God demand to be worshipped.

Exodus 10:3-5, "So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said to him, “This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: ‘How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, so that they may worship me. If you refuse to let them go, I will bring locusts into your country tomorrow. They will cover the face of the ground so that it cannot be seen. They will devour what little you have left after the hail, including every tree that is growing in your fields. They will fill your houses and those of all your officials and all the Egyptians—something neither your fathers nor your forefathers have ever seen from the day they settled in this land till now.’ ” Then Moses turned and left Pharaoh."


Phillipians 3:1-4, " Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh.For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reasons for such confidence."

​

J.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Please don't lie:

you shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Exodus 10:3-5, "So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and said to him, “This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: ‘How long will you refuse to humble yourself before me? Let my people go, so that they may worship me. If you refuse to let them go, I will bring locusts into your country tomorrow. They will cover the face of the ground so that it cannot be seen. They will devour what little you have left after the hail, including every tree that is growing in your fields. They will fill your houses and those of all your officials and all the Egyptians—something neither your fathers nor your forefathers have ever seen from the day they settled in this land till now.’ ” Then Moses turned and left Pharaoh."

The overt wrath spoken of in the Old Testament was before God made a new covenant with us by sending Jesus to take all our sins away by dying on the cross in our place.

Phillipians 3:1-4, " Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh.For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reasons for such confidence."

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That was Paul talking. It wasn't a demand from God.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Care to explain your interpretation of the "spirit"?

I'm talking about God, which arrives in one's heart, as you describe, when one sets aside one's personal ego and opens oneself to the process of your individual spiritual journey. By sincerely doing this, a response is given, which can be very subtle, or very blatant.
I want to say to you TLS that you shouldn't go around assuming people have never opened themselves to Christ, or that people who now see God in a broader context are somehow lost.
God will meet us where we're at. Within Christianity, within Islam, within all the religions one can possibly imagine.
I don't have this confused with demonic, or negative energy influences, which are quite real, such as the compulsive smoking of an otherwise sacred herb. I simply see God, Goddess, or Great Spirit, or Tao, as being beyond the confines of any religion.
I disagree with some Biblical statements about homosexuality because of the underlying truth that God is Love. Added to that the more pagan notion that sex is sacred.
Therefore a homosexual relationship can be blessed and of God, while a hetero one might not be -depending on the cynical choices of the individuals - and vice versa.