I think Workforce could have been interesting without Chakotay. Say if Tom was in that role and he was the one helping get his pregnant wife back.
Why Wasn't Neelix considered a candidate for removal after season 3?
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The only bad thing about Neelix was his wardrobe and prosthetics. He looked ridiculous.
He was a good character. A necessary character. Who didn't feel a little sad when he left? Ethan Phillips did a good job. The makeup and costume department dropped the ball.
He was a good character. A necessary character. Who didn't feel a little sad when he left? Ethan Phillips did a good job. The makeup and costume department dropped the ball.
I have to disagree. I don't think his wardrobe was any worse than anything Quark ever wore. I liked the prosthetics as well. Too many aliens in Trek look like humans with a tiny difference, he looked like an alien.
And Equinox, Janeway's and the EMH 's behaviors are rather dark too in this one
When ever Neelix had an episode around him-Jetrel, Mortal Coil, Homestead, Fair Trade.
He did well and showed he wasn't there for comedic relief.
I like it when Tuvok speaks to him in Homestead saying he has won his respect and that he ha proven himself capable of leadership.
He did well and showed he wasn't there for comedic relief.
I like it when Tuvok speaks to him in Homestead saying he has won his respect and that he ha proven himself capable of leadership.
Ethan Phillips did a fantastic job.
Neelix was a horrible character badly written, yet over the course of the show Phillips won me over and engendered a measure of affection for the character.
Bah, what do you want, I always thought that, for an actor, a fond and/or an emotional farewell (or even a shocking exit) for her/his character was much better than to stay at any cost and get lost in certain "anonymity", to the point that viewers do not notice even anymore her/his presence on screeens. It's frustrating for the actor AND for the viewers who feel that something is not right, what annoys them more.
As for a possible loss of a popular character like Chakotay, I know that it would have shaken a double fandoms (RB's and Chakotay's) but it would have followed a certain logic (and when we perceive the logic behind such a decision, it often easier to apprehend the possiblilty, even if we still don't like the scenario!)
1) For Robert Beltran, a desire to leave an adventure where he has stopped for a long time blooming and where he felt wasting his time. I think that, at a moment, if an actor like him has a minimum of self-esteem, instead of waiting (and even trying) to be fired, he would have taken himself the decision to leave when the occasion is offered -> smoothly or with losses and crash! Seen the sad “show” which RB/GW offered, they certainly tried to be fired to get interesting financial compensations and to victimize still more. But in the end, both committed professional suicide, even if RB seems to get easier!
2) For the producers, to find a way to get rid of a cumbersome and whiny actor, in using a clever storyline to justify his departure. IF they had acted as jerk as they did with Jennifer Lien (with Fury, which they accepted the scenario which ruined the so charming and sympathetic character who was Kes), they could have presented Chakotay at his best and killing him off at the end of a double episodes -> fandoms (RB, Chakotay, J/C) would have had what they wanted/waited for so long: an episode entirely focused on this character and a J/C love scene. And if complaining had continued, producers could have answered that, it was an artistic choice although, knowing that killing-off one of the most popular characters of the show would be painful and unpopular for his fans.
3) For the storyline: at least, in Endgame, Capitain Janeway would certainly had a better understanding of the actions led by her older doppelhänger, Admiral Janeway. Indeed, both having already suffered of the loss of someone who was very dear to them, Chakotay, in DQ (and the Admiral not yet over, almost 30 years after) and the announcement that Seven was going to die as many of the other members of the crew and that Tuvok was going to become crazy, for lack of having received the good treatment in time, would have allowed viewers to better apprehend Admiral Janeway’s actions, even if it’s still not morally totally right.
Hey, they even killed Kathryn Janeway and you know how much I like the character her performer. But, if it was a personal choice from the actress (besides, it's her idea to kill-off one of 2 Janeways!) or a logic end for the character, it would have been alright for me!. So, why not the same for RB/Chakotay?!
In the original timeline I always interpreted it as he ended up dying at some point in the Delta Quadrant.
I never got that impression. I thought he just died for whatever reason.
Don't frustrate me with what could have been! Neelix is my Jar Jar; annoying dude, and fingernails on the blackboard, that oily voice.
Kes, on the other hand . . . sigh . . . I'd listen to her read the phone book. And she was nice and pretty and . . . I think I'm in love.
But someone had to go and they thought they couldn't write for her.
Okay, at least Neelix was interesting. Beltran was the most wooden main actor in the franchise and would be no loss.
It is what it is . . . Or was.
Kes, on the other hand . . . sigh . . . I'd listen to her read the phone book. And she was nice and pretty and . . . I think I'm in love.
But someone had to go and they thought they couldn't write for her.Okay, at least Neelix was interesting. Beltran was the most wooden main actor in the franchise and would be no loss.
It is what it is . . . Or was.
Don't frustrate me with what could have been! Neelix is my Jar Jar; annoying dude, and fingernails on the blackboard, that oily voice.
Hey, how did you dare to compare Neelix to Jar Jar?!
Well, at least, we understand when Neelix speaks ... contrary to Jar Jar with his oily and noisy voice! But yes, both are funny and you want to hug them!
I regret not ot have seen Neelix in more emotional scenes. Philips nailed these scenes!
As seeing as the Adm. Janeway's time frame was deleted by herself in coming back in the past and changing some parameters, all the events which were lived by her, never happened, including the deaths of Seven and Chakotay, right?
About the supposed Chakotay's death, as seeing as he died after the return of Voyager from DQ, 26 years after Capt Janeway's present time, I rather thought that he has died from sorrow, what would caused a heart attack. If Chakotay has wanted to commit suicide, I don't think that he would have waited 23 years to do it (he would have done a few time after Seven's death OR later but Voyager would still have been in DQ at the time of his death).
Yeah I can't stand Neelix even going through almost 3 seasons now. Probably mainly for his look and voice, but I'm sure he's important in some ways. Would have taken Kes's somewhat bland personality (although all the things happening to her were cool) over him.
Personally, if someone had to be removed, I had removed Chakotay. Chakotay was just so unrealistic character. On one hand he was a Maquis captain, but on the other hand he become the by-the-book first officer without any personal contemplation. I know they had to have a Maquis character as one of the mains, but maybe they could have promoted B'Elanna to be the second officer after that.
100% agree about Chakotay.
As for a Maquis character, I'd have taken Kenneth Dalby, who showed that he could be a leader - without having to use his fists to command respect -, knowing to take right decisions or to take responsabilities for wrong one taken by him and/or others, showing compassion.
Chakotay really isn't a firebrand like Eddington or a resentful ex-official like Hudson and is a pretty meek guy overall. He saw the fact that they would have to cooperate(and being outnumbered) decided to accept what Janeway gave him, in return he kept his own people in-line.
If Chakotay left then Tuvok is next in the chain of command, followed by Tom.
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