Why was this movie dedicated to post-9/11 veterans? (spoilers)
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Re: Why was this movie dedicated to post-9/11 veterans?
Can't help but wonder if the writers and JJ are 9/11 truthers (Sure hope not)....
Can't help but wonder if the writers and JJ are 9/11 truthers (Sure hope not)....
Re: Why was this movie dedicated to post-9/11 veterans?
There were parallels to 9/11 in the movie--namely a large-scale terrorist act on a major international city.
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There were huge thematic links to the US's "War on Terrorism" age. Leaders looking for a war, peaceful entities becoming warlike, suspending rules and laws for terrorists..."Going back to who we were." I think the dedication was to show that while they weren't happy with where the country has gone in this past decade or so, they still appredicated the sacrifices the troops made, on a human level. A 'support the troops, not the war' kind of mentality.
There were huge thematic links to the US's "War on Terrorism" age. Leaders looking for a war, peaceful entities becoming warlike, suspending rules and laws for terrorists..."Going back to who we were." I think the dedication was to show that while they weren't happy with where the country has gone in this past decade or so, they still appredicated the sacrifices the troops made, on a human level. A 'support the troops, not the war' kind of mentality.
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I think Bob Orci is a Truther. We all have our shortcomings.
Absolutely Right(TM).
Far from being superficially free of intellectual content as some critics have incorrectly claimed, this movie is more directly challenging in those respects than any previous Trek movie - bar none.
I think Bob Orci is a Truther. We all have our shortcomings.
Absolutely Right(TM).
Far from being superficially free of intellectual content as some critics have incorrectly claimed, this movie is more directly challenging in those respects than any previous Trek movie - bar none.
Re: Why was this movie dedicated to post-9/11 veterans?
The movie introduces concepts of terrorism, but really doesn't offer any meaningful commentary on the subject matter or really deal with it in an insightful way It's a "destroy the world" type movie. I saw the movie paired with three trailers that showed the world going to hell and getting blown up or overrun by zombies. STID did nothing to differentiate itself from the pack. "Oh look they blew up/took down [Famous Structure]."
Hell, after the ship crashes into SF, not a single person in the crowd is batting an eye. Half the city's gone, but people are still driving around, walking around seemingly unbothered. Look at the reactions to 9/11 or the Boston bombings. Things stopped, people tried to figure out what happened. It seemed disconnected. And like a large part of the film, poorly thought out.
And, not for nothing, knowing Orci is a 9/11 Truther and apparently a Newtown Truther from his twitter account, the dedication just made me feel uncomfortable.
The movie introduces concepts of terrorism, but really doesn't offer any meaningful commentary on the subject matter or really deal with it in an insightful way It's a "destroy the world" type movie. I saw the movie paired with three trailers that showed the world going to hell and getting blown up or overrun by zombies. STID did nothing to differentiate itself from the pack. "Oh look they blew up/took down [Famous Structure]."
Hell, after the ship crashes into SF, not a single person in the crowd is batting an eye. Half the city's gone, but people are still driving around, walking around seemingly unbothered. Look at the reactions to 9/11 or the Boston bombings. Things stopped, people tried to figure out what happened. It seemed disconnected. And like a large part of the film, poorly thought out.
And, not for nothing, knowing Orci is a 9/11 Truther and apparently a Newtown Truther from his twitter account, the dedication just made me feel uncomfortable.
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Orci is.
And at this point, to me, 12 years after the event, it's more like "We get it, you (still) want to also cash in on the 9/11 trauma, yer greedy basterds".
The Challenger dedication in The Voyage Home felt honest, but this one doesn't.
Orci is.
And at this point, to me, 12 years after the event, it's more like "We get it, you (still) want to also cash in on the 9/11 trauma, yer greedy basterds".
The Challenger dedication in The Voyage Home felt honest, but this one doesn't.
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As I posted on mine, this movie came out near the date of the completion of 1 World Trade Center, so it's a very poignant movie for America.
As I posted on mine, this movie came out near the date of the completion of 1 World Trade Center, so it's a very poignant movie for America.
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Did you miss Kirk's whole speech at the end of the film? To summarize it for you; the movie takes the position that kneejerk emotional reactions done out of arrogance, ignorance, or a desire for vengeance have consequences, and they can be really shitty. That's a pretty succinct commentary on the last decade or so of the "war on terror".
Conversely, the film also presents the other side of the argument with Spock's story... it's pretty cool if you actually pay attention to the story, and don't just focus in on the plot mechanics.
Did you miss Kirk's whole speech at the end of the film? To summarize it for you; the movie takes the position that kneejerk emotional reactions done out of arrogance, ignorance, or a desire for vengeance have consequences, and they can be really shitty. That's a pretty succinct commentary on the last decade or so of the "war on terror".
Conversely, the film also presents the other side of the argument with Spock's story... it's pretty cool if you actually pay attention to the story, and don't just focus in on the plot mechanics.
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Saying that it's immoral to execute people without trial is the most "meaningful commentary" possible on the current behavior of my nation's government.
I suppose some folks are just accustomed to the sententious monologues about safe and prosaic 'truths" that became a tiresome hallmark of modern Trek.
Saying that it's immoral to execute people without trial is the most "meaningful commentary" possible on the current behavior of my nation's government.
I suppose some folks are just accustomed to the sententious monologues about safe and prosaic 'truths" that became a tiresome hallmark of modern Trek.
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This dedication was the number one thing that bothered me about this movie. I think the writers thought that this film was going to be on the same scale as The Undiscovered Country in terms of allegories, but it isn't. You didn't see a dedication to Chernobyl at the end of Star Trek VI.
Into Darkness is exploiting real life events for entertainment with no sort of subtext. In the last 12 years, we've had dozens of movies that have dealt with corrupt government officials orchestrating wars, so this was nothing special to be worth noting.
Also, there was a lot of talk about how Into Darkness was going to be like The Dark Knight. The analysis of The Dark Knight and 9/11 connections came from the viewers, not the filmmakers. The act of dedicating the film to 9/11 victims and veterans seems way too over blown. The Challenger dedication in Star Trek IV was in good taste, while the one for Into Darkness felt like exploitation.
This dedication was the number one thing that bothered me about this movie. I think the writers thought that this film was going to be on the same scale as The Undiscovered Country in terms of allegories, but it isn't. You didn't see a dedication to Chernobyl at the end of Star Trek VI.
Into Darkness is exploiting real life events for entertainment with no sort of subtext. In the last 12 years, we've had dozens of movies that have dealt with corrupt government officials orchestrating wars, so this was nothing special to be worth noting.
Also, there was a lot of talk about how Into Darkness was going to be like The Dark Knight. The analysis of The Dark Knight and 9/11 connections came from the viewers, not the filmmakers. The act of dedicating the film to 9/11 victims and veterans seems way too over blown. The Challenger dedication in Star Trek IV was in good taste, while the one for Into Darkness felt like exploitation.
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There's no moral if the Bridge crew doesn't stop and discuss it in excruciating detail for 10 minutes, followed up by "like a balloon with too much helium," or some such.
Saying that it's immoral to execute people without trial is the most "meaningful commentary" possible on the current behavior of my nation's government.
I suppose some folks are just accustomed to the sententious monologues about safe and prosaic 'truths" that became a tiresome hallmark of modern Trek.
There's no moral if the Bridge crew doesn't stop and discuss it in excruciating detail for 10 minutes, followed up by "like a balloon with too much helium," or some such.
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Why does Kirk change his mind? Because of one line from Spock? He never wrestles with it. I thought we were slowly going to see the crew "turn" on Kirk's mad-on for vengeance. Certainly the Scotty scene sets this up. It just feels very hollow otherwise. I didn't "Miss" the speech, I found it be a tack on to the plot to try and tie the terrorism-and-reaction theme in a neat bow that the rest of the film never reaches. Again, hollow. Don't just have Kirk give a speech, show us how Kirk arrives at this. We never see it, it just happens. it's any one of a number of 180 reverses the scripting takes without any real logic behind them.
Why does Kirk change his mind? Because of one line from Spock? He never wrestles with it. I thought we were slowly going to see the crew "turn" on Kirk's mad-on for vengeance. Certainly the Scotty scene sets this up. It just feels very hollow otherwise. I didn't "Miss" the speech, I found it be a tack on to the plot to try and tie the terrorism-and-reaction theme in a neat bow that the rest of the film never reaches. Again, hollow. Don't just have Kirk give a speech, show us how Kirk arrives at this. We never see it, it just happens. it's any one of a number of 180 reverses the scripting takes without any real logic behind them.
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Reminds you of TOS and TNG's social commentaries, doesn't it ?
Reminds you of TOS and TNG's social commentaries, doesn't it ?
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Of course the crew weren't going to turn on Kirk, they wanted this bastard Harrison just as bad as he did. And so did the audience. Kirk runs on pure gut instinct and luck, which worked out for him in the last movie (and apparently in the intervening time between the films), and works out in the worst way possible in this one; he dies.
Obviously we the audience know he isn't going to stay dead, but he doesn't know that. That's when Kirk learns humility and changes his mind.
Of course the crew weren't going to turn on Kirk, they wanted this bastard Harrison just as bad as he did. And so did the audience. Kirk runs on pure gut instinct and luck, which worked out for him in the last movie (and apparently in the intervening time between the films), and works out in the worst way possible in this one; he dies.
Obviously we the audience know he isn't going to stay dead, but he doesn't know that. That's when Kirk learns humility and changes his mind.
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People can come to a decision without having to give a speech. I do it all the time.
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It's kinda funny to put a 9/11 dedication into a film where a spaceship irons skyscrapers. I can't help but to find this pretty inappropriate.
It's like dedicating an average Schwarzenegger film to gun violence victims.
It's kinda funny to put a 9/11 dedication into a film where a spaceship irons skyscrapers. I can't help but to find this pretty inappropriate.
It's like dedicating an average Schwarzenegger film to gun violence victims.
