Why was there never a show set on the Enterprise B or C, and what would a show with those ships have been like?

[Dukhat]

Okay, as it's come up, here's my idea for a Trek anthology series (including "The B"). I did this up before Enterprise was even announced! Of course the way TV shows are even done has changed completely since then. The idea was a weekly network series rotating between four time periods. In a 24-episode season you end up with six episodes of each show, a new one of a particular series dropping every 4 weeks in the rotation. The plots would be totally unrelated, but if that turns out to be annoying, maybe have a mystery running through the time periods, with a key clue in each episode to build interest.

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Unfortunately, as I have mentioned previously, these days Trek productions look little different visually no matter what time period they’re showing (except for the look of the Klingons, which has become such a joke that LDS made fun of it.) If they all of a sudden produced an Enterprise-B show, don’t expect it to look any different from SNW or PIC. So an anthology show is pretty much pointless.

 

[MarcKle1964]

The Enterprise-B won’t be ready until Tuesday

I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for an Enterprise today.

 

[knightgrace]

I would not go with the B. In Generations. But with the original intent. This business of modifying to one's standards is not respectful towards the original designers.

So, forget about the B, in Generations, unless you want to indicate that it was test equipment or something. The Excelsior class is fine as originally designed.

Hmmm.

Speaking of Generations, let's say that Star Fleet Intelligence ( not Section 31) investiges the events of the incident further. Such that two or three Excelsior class are launched towards Borg space. The aren't fast enough to get out far enough to really find anything. And seven year missions aren't good enough.

This is where the Ambassador class ultimately comes from. Something that can easily do twelve to sixteen year missions...

An Excelsior class on a seven year mission two to three years out, and three down to one year exploration, is sufficient find the Borg. Four years out before even looking.

Between the two classes only minor improvement to Starship technology...with at least four Ambassador class actually looking.
Finding nothing.
Because they didn't go far enough at the time. They could have. But didn't . This has major ramifications later...

Too late to really do anything.

 

[Toril Toran]

An entire series about the Enterprise - C would be interesting. Starting from design and construction (starting from where it is almost finished), to its’ heroic end.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Unfortunately, as I have mentioned previously, these days Trek productions look little different visually no matter what time period they’re showing (except for the look of the Klingons, which has become such a joke that LDS made fun of it.) If they all of a sudden produced an Enterprise-B show, don’t expect it to look any different from SNW or PIC. So an anthology show is pretty much pointless.

Upside, they can use the same sets.

 

[at Quark's]

I think not making a show about those eras might be doing the people living in those eras a favour.

I mean, think about it. Beginning of TNG era. Galaxy seems fairly stable. Nothing major seems to have happened for decades. Federation has no enemies to speak of. They send out luxury liners such as the ENT-D.

Within a few years the Romulans come back, then there's the Borg, the Dominion War which the Federation barely survives, the destruction of Vulcan ....

 

[FredH]

I think not making a show about those eras might be doing the people living in those eras a favour.

I mean, think about it. Beginning of TNG era. Galaxy seems fairly stable. Nothing major seems to have happened for decades. Federation has no enemies to speak of. They send out luxury liners such as the ENT-D.

Within a few years the Romulans come back, then there's the Borg, the Dominion War which the Federation barely survives, the destruction of Vulcan ....

Vulcan’s over in that other timeline, but I take your point. I actually wish they could have found a way to keep that peaceful-universe setup and just get the drama from individual planet-exploring adventures, but that ship sailed (so to speak) 35+ years ago.

 

[Phoenix219]

Which is ironic, because TNG season 1 was barely any different from TOS.

And that is why it is my favorite season, although S2 and Pulaski come pretty close. The TOS DNA shines through bright and clear.

The death of full length fanfilms still bothers me. I really wanted a full 1970s aesthetic post TMP show

An ENT-B show would just be like everything else, a mix between the movies and some TNG ideas. We basically see what it would have been in The Battle and Peak Performance.

 

[Phoenix219]

I think not making a show about those eras might be doing the people living in those eras a favour.

I mean, think about it. Beginning of TNG era. Galaxy seems fairly stable. Nothing major seems to have happened for decades. Federation has no enemies to speak of. They send out luxury liners such as the ENT-D.

Within a few years the Romulans come back, then there's the Borg, the Dominion War which the Federation barely survives, the destruction of Vulcan ....

Vulcan destruction is in an alternate Universe, but I get your point. If nothing else, there is still the destruction of Romulus.

 

[CoveTom]

In fact the original plan was to set TNG in the late 25th century, aboard the Enterprise NCC-1701-7, and have it be even further removed from TOS than it ended up being.

Yes, and it was only the fact that TVH had the new ship given the registry of NCC-1701-A that changed their plan from a number to a letter. Personally, I like the letter designation better.

Which is ironic, because TNG season 1 was barely any different from TOS.

I dunno. Season 1 of TNG is WAY more cringey in many places to me than even the worst of TOS ever was.

And that is why it is my favorite season, although S2 and Pulaski come pretty close. The TOS DNA shines through bright and clear.

Season 2 is probably my favorite season of TNG. They've started to hit their stride in terms of both actors and production, while still maintaining that real plot-driven sci-fi vibe of TOS. S1, while it has some good moments, is a little too uneven, a little too "unpolished" in terms of production values, and the acting is pretty hit or miss. It also has a lot of the famous Roddenberry pervyness all over it, which basically went away starting with S2 and other producers taking more charge.

 

[Phoenix219]

Yes, and it was only the fact that TVH had the new ship given the registry of NCC-1701-A that changed their plan from a number to a letter. Personally, I like the letter designation better.


I dunno. Season 1 of TNG is WAY more cringey in many places to me than even the worst of TOS ever was.


Season 2 is probably my favorite season of TNG. They've started to hit their stride in terms of both actors and production, while still maintaining that real plot-driven sci-fi vibe of TOS. S1, while it has some good moments, is a little too uneven, a little too "unpolished" in terms of production values, and the acting is pretty hit or miss. It also has a lot of the famous Roddenberry pervyness all over it, which basically went away starting with S2 and other producers taking more charge.

TOS Planet set, banter at the end of the episodes, bits of comedy, and the full array of extras in the background always impress me. Plus, the little bits of serialization. S2 probably was the perfect spot, but I highly prefer Geordi on the bridge. Could have just made Miles the actual Chief.

 

[Toril Toran]

What if they announced a new series like TOS, and announced it would be seven seasons. However, at the end of season five, say, it gets destroyed by some sort of space (or space/time) phenomenon.
This would set up an expectation of one thing, then unexpectedly deliver another. Sort of the old bait and switch.
And it would show that not all ships survive space.
Wibbly-Wobbly-Timey-Wimey stuff.
Or something like the planet eater.

 

[The Wormhole]

What if they announced a new series like TOS, and announced it would be seven seasons

There's no way they would announce seven seasons right out of the gate as there is no guarantee, even with a popular franchise, that the ratings would justify keeping it around that long. At most they could only guarantee three seasons, and even that is rare, and almost never happens with new shows. Three season contracts typically happen when an already successful show gets renewed, and even then, renewed for three seasons is rare though it has happened.

However, at the end of season five, say, it gets destroyed by some sort of space (or space/time) phenomenon.
This would set up an expectation of one thing, then unexpectedly deliver another. Sort of the old bait and switch.

But even if we're entertaining this scenario, then there is no scenario in which a studio who has greenlit a show to run for seven years will agree to end it after five just for the sake of misdirection or "bait and switch."

 

[Toril Toran]

Just a thought

 

[Dukhat]

At most they could only guarantee three seasons, and even that is rare, and almost never happens with new shows. Three season contracts typically happen when an already successful show gets renewed, and even then, renewed for three seasons is rare though it has happened.

Not to mention that when a successful show lasts for at least two seasons, the third season is invariably crap. The Man in the High Castle and Westworld spring immediately to mind.

 

[Macintosh]

Not to mention that when a successful show lasts for at least two seasons, the third season is invariably crap. The Man in the High Castle and Westworld spring immediately to mind.

Or Star Trek: The Original Series of course.

Now I'm fretting for Strange New Worlds...

 

[Owain Taggart]

The Enterprise-B won’t be ready until Tuesday

Bloody hell Jim , I'm a doctor, not a shipbuilder!!

 

[Snowdrop82]

I was never one who subscribed to the complaints with the Enterprise B, the design, or what not. Perhaps I would have had Sulu be the captain of it though.

 

[knightgrace]

I like the Probert's Enterprise-C. Picture a series that seems so obviously standard Star Trek. But it has been decades since Generations...

The Advanced Excelsiors, have proven inadequate for the distances involved. They started out doing seven year missions at warp factor twelve speeds...

Finding more questions than answers.

And hints only of what chased those refugees out of there home space.

The Enterprise-C is designed to take traveling at the new value of warp factor 9.2 for four years, and to plant Colonies out every few years, the job of the Colonies is forward power projection, in terms of intelligence gathering.
Each colony has a plan B package(Interstellar), and may be visited by a proper colony set of ships.

The Captain of the Enterprise-C and her Sisters have no idea about what is going on. They don't need to.

Ambassador class ships are produced in lots of one hundred, they are going everywhere.
A few disappear, with self destruction the only indication of the nature of the problem.

From the crew's perspective, their ship just blew up.

But they are blowing up, in a particular direction...

No, not Section 31.

Just a set of routines, that destroy the ship in a unique way. Communication, last dich.

 

[Toril Toran]

It would be difficult to come up with any new series that hasn’t already been done.
Or done to death.
Maybe another prequel dealing with the life of Zephram Cochrane? How he meets Lilly?.
I c an’t think of anything else