I thought the Yamato was taken out by a computer virus.
Why was the USS Oddessy so useless?
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I thought the Yamato was taken out by a computer virus.
Ablative_Oberth
Lieutenant Commander
Still destroyed utterly and not resurrected on screen by reset-button/handwavium.
Also in TOS we had several ships destroyed on screen and not resurrected...
By the time the Oddity was nuked we had ample precedence for this sort of thing. Of course the "casual" viewer has not memorized hours of episode footage and books full of trivia so they might not know about all this.
^ I mentioned modern Trek (at the time TNG and DS9). In TOS we saw several ships destroyed/severely damaged in combat - Constellation, Excalibur, Potempkin. The first time I could remember seeing SF ships destroyed in combat in either of those series was the Odyssey, but it's been pointed out that the Saratoga and a couple other ships (Melbourne) were destroyed in Emissary. I wasn't including ships like the Yamato, Lantree, etc. in the combat listing.
Like I said long day.
Like I said long day.
So, in summary:
1. The ship was destroyed because it effectively had NO SHIELDS. It's been a pretty long-running staple in Trek that once your shields are down you are in BIG TROUBLE. See 'Generations'. Oh, also, a freaking SHIP DROVE INTO THE DRIVE SECTION.
2. The Galaxy class vessel and Captain were specifically chosen by the show creators to be similar to the Enterprise and Picard. The intentional point they were trying to make was that if it had actually been the Enterprise and Picard, they too would have died.
3. In the 5th season, Starfleet has adapted their shields to the Dominion weapons, which is why Starfleet vessels now seem to last longer against them.
4. The Odyssey did nothing wrong, tactically. They were outmatched against an opponent using superior weapons and suicide tactics. It's unfair to blame the Captain.
1. The ship was destroyed because it effectively had NO SHIELDS. It's been a pretty long-running staple in Trek that once your shields are down you are in BIG TROUBLE. See 'Generations'. Oh, also, a freaking SHIP DROVE INTO THE DRIVE SECTION.
2. The Galaxy class vessel and Captain were specifically chosen by the show creators to be similar to the Enterprise and Picard. The intentional point they were trying to make was that if it had actually been the Enterprise and Picard, they too would have died.
3. In the 5th season, Starfleet has adapted their shields to the Dominion weapons, which is why Starfleet vessels now seem to last longer against them.
4. The Odyssey did nothing wrong, tactically. They were outmatched against an opponent using superior weapons and suicide tactics. It's unfair to blame the Captain.
Good summation.
Given the Jem'hadar's orders were apparently to do whatever it would take to destroy the Odyssey, I think the only options were either for the ship to never go through the wormhole in the first place, or to withdraw as quickly as possible as soon as the Jem'hadar engaged them, given how outmatched they were and the fact that the Jem'hadar were willing to kamikaze.
Given the Jem'hadar's orders were apparently to do whatever it would take to destroy the Odyssey, I think the only options were either for the ship to never go through the wormhole in the first place, or to withdraw as quickly as possible as soon as the Jem'hadar engaged them, given how outmatched they were and the fact that the Jem'hadar were willing to kamikaze.
I guess Keogh could have tried a more direct approach with rescuing Jake, Nog, Ben and Quark: swooping in with shields down, transporting them all up, raising shields and warping out.
Not a good plan when you don't know what sort of firepower the enemy has, of course. A single battery of anti-starship disruptor cannon on the planet's surface would have made such dropping of shields a really poor idea. And once Keogh got a feel of the real firepower of the Jem'Hadar, it was too late to try the rescue swoop.
What would have worked better is a well-prepared swoop: send in reconnaissance units first (say, the runabouts the space station could provide) to clandestinely find out exactly where the four prisoners were being held, then fly in with massive firepower and do a crazy shields-down beam-up stunt before the enemy can say "Victory is Life!", then flee under the cover of the best shields and most powerful guns Starfleet has to offer.
But without the recce missions, Starfleet didn't even know it would be needing to flee. Keogh's orders probably were to make a show of force. Destroying at most two very small enemy starships and getting rammed by the third was not the kind of show Starfleet was thinking of, but they couldn't really have known better - they wouldn't have had a reason to plan for a desperate rescue swoop where the most important element would be to get out before the enemy snuffed the mighty Galaxy.
Timo Saloniemi
Not a good plan when you don't know what sort of firepower the enemy has, of course. A single battery of anti-starship disruptor cannon on the planet's surface would have made such dropping of shields a really poor idea. And once Keogh got a feel of the real firepower of the Jem'Hadar, it was too late to try the rescue swoop.
What would have worked better is a well-prepared swoop: send in reconnaissance units first (say, the runabouts the space station could provide) to clandestinely find out exactly where the four prisoners were being held, then fly in with massive firepower and do a crazy shields-down beam-up stunt before the enemy can say "Victory is Life!", then flee under the cover of the best shields and most powerful guns Starfleet has to offer.
But without the recce missions, Starfleet didn't even know it would be needing to flee. Keogh's orders probably were to make a show of force. Destroying at most two very small enemy starships and getting rammed by the third was not the kind of show Starfleet was thinking of, but they couldn't really have known better - they wouldn't have had a reason to plan for a desperate rescue swoop where the most important element would be to get out before the enemy snuffed the mighty Galaxy.
Timo Saloniemi
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
nm....got beat to it...
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